With almost as year to make plans how has our government so massively ****** up the vaccine rollout?

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  1. Tek

    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

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    Agree with the above up to a point, but, in your opinion was it only , "NHS and volunteers " who sourced and manufactured all the vials, organised logistics, set up manufacture and distribution of the cold storage units, requisitioned all the additional buildings and venue sites for the vaccinations and planned the rollout process with absolutely no input from Government or the Civil Service.

    Some one here are hopelessly uninformed about the complexity of organising such a massive and unprecedented undertaking ( someone on here a while back was even questioning why the "incompetent Govt" had not ordered generic Glass bottle manufacturers to switch production to surgical grade glass vials!!) If only that, and life in general, was as 'black and white' and simple as some on here seem to think it is.

    Sheesh!! I understand the dislike and cynicism regarding the Government but at least give them some credit for a job well done in achieving what no other country in Europe has got close to managing. The NHS from top to bottom has and continues to to an incredible job under extreme pressure, but, by the same token, no one with half a brain cell can deny that the Govt has played a major role in getting the show on the road. Time and again some on here have heavily criticised decisions made at the time e.g. early ordering of a spread of unproven vaccines still in early testing stages, only to see, in the final analysis, that those decisions have turned out to be correct. The whole thing has, and continues to be a real team effort and not gone unnoticed by many Italians I know who compare it to the omni-shambles that is the rollout here and in all other European Countries
     
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    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

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    Neither you nor I were party to any discussions regarding the details of the rollout. What we do know is that 3-400k per day is a huge success story, (I even noted nurses/volunteers vaccinating people in the back of London taxis!!) By comparison, Here in Le Marche, an area with 1.5m inhabitants there are only 7 hospitals where the vaccine is being given. Saturday was the first day for over 80s and they were queuing from 7am many places had no seats and they had to stand outside for hours even with appointments. Only 3,300 were vaccinated in the whole day !
    You seem constantly to seek out the negatives picking on the minutiae without looking at the overall big picture. Of course, any major project with ever changing challenges will throw up things that in retrospect could have been done better. Easy to criticise from the sidelines (as you constantly do!) when you don't actually have to take responsibility.
    I repeat ... it is such a pity that with your boundless experience, wisdom, qualifications and knowledge in all things that they cannot be put to good use with you running the country. I certainly don't have the answer to your question, perhaps they had bigger fish to fry, and I am damn sure you don't!
     
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    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

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    As I said previously. If they had spent less to e focusing on Dominic Cummings they'd have had more time to plan ahead for other things.
     
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    Sounds like my love making!
     
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    I did say in my opening sentence, credit where its due and i meant that genuinely, i believe generally speaking the process of getting the vaccine into arms has been undertaken by the nhs and volunteers, no doubt private companies have been involved along the chain and well done to them too, but i think its fair to say that we haven,t seen the cronyism involved in the vaccinations that we saw with the ppe and track and trace fiascos where even the most deep set tory couldn,t defend their records, i think Boris has learned a valuable lesson with using companies like serco who were way out of their depth and good on him for that, theres no doubt that a lot of companies with very little or no experience in the required fields have got very wealthy off the back of this pandemic hence Matt hancock being found guilty of cronyism, people MUST come before profit...
     
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    Essentially what you are saying is an example of the Dunning Kruger effect - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
     
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    Tonjytyke Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like my love making!
     
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