Wenger.... Offside.

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  1. Sim

    Simon De Montforte Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure at one time there had to be daylight between the body of the attacker and the defender. The VAR freeze frame could detect that in an instant and it wouldn't matter if his nose or his big toe was offside. It gives the attacker about a foot advantage over the defender but that would mean we'd see more goals which can't be a bad thing.
     
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    Seems pretty simple to me & works in cricket. Current system sucks for spectators.
     
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    Coming from somebody who never saw anything I'm surprised he's got an opinion.
     
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    I want to be in the pub at 5pm .
     
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    But wheres the offside line ?
     
  6. John Peachy

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    That is a bit of a call at Oakwell, unless you leave early, or are some sort of 1000 metre champion.

    Surely limiting appeals is better than some pillock sat in a caravan deciding to overrule marginal decisions? FBH, I don't give a flying rat's arse about the premier league anyway, so maybe I'll stop trying to come up with a reasonable alternative to the ****** that we have at the moment.
     
  7. Dragon Tyke

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    well Rugby use it and they have no worries..... I have never seen a Rugby match go on for more than about 10 to 15 mins.
     
  8. Gimson&theBarnsleys

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    Put a tracker in each player's belly button and use this as the datum point for off-side - with 5G technology this would be a piece of p155 t monitor.:D
     
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    The software is already there. They just don't want to use it. The current software that exists just retired the VAR to select the moment in time in which the ball was kicked and then it will tell you which sensor is in the advanced position instantly. Using this would actually make the decision more accuracy as at present it is a standard speed camera having to be stopped at the frame the var guy thinks the ball is kicked at. Under the sensor system they can use an high speed camera and get the exact moment as it doesn't need to be a wide angle camera showing across the pitch
     
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    The var system wouldn't get that right though unless the camera was perfectly in line with the players at all times. Two people can stand in line with each other but from the wrong angle I'd see daylight. The only solution here is sensors and nobody has yet given a good reason why it wouldn't work.
     
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    Needs to change. I would change it so that unless there is a gap (any size) between defender and attacker, it’s onside.
     
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    But wouldn't they then just scrutinise looking for a 1mm gap?

    The problem is that no matter what criteria you use offside will always be a yes or no decision. Either player a is ahead by the specified distance. Be that a nose a chest a foot or a gap. And while ever it can be measured it will be measured. The solution is to find a system that is quicker at reaching a decision, easier for supporters to understand the ruling of and more foolproof and trustworthy and the only way I can see to achieve those three aims is to remove the human from the decision making process as much as possible.
     
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    That rule would have put an end to Stendel's tactics of lining up our back 4 a yard from the half-way line. For that reason alone I'm in favour ! (not really)
     
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    Wouldn't scrapping the offside rule leading to goal raking or hanging as we used to call it 'stretch the game' and aren't these games more enjoyable?
     
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    Gives the armchair fans time to get a beer from the fridge or put the kettle on without missing any of the game though! Honestly cant see how VAR didnt give Maguire a red card after kicking out the other day though, it was way worse than Cam's stamp.
     
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    Shhh, McGeehan could get a retrospective ban for it.....
     
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    That's Portsmouth's problem!
     
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    There are 2 problems currently with VAR. The cameras they are using are not high enough frame rate, so there is too much time between viewable frames. The same issue happened in the Superbowl. One frame he's in play and the ball is not over the goal line, one frame he's out of play and the ball is over the goal line. Impossible to tell whether the ball or the man crossed the line first, because that happened between frames.

    The other problem is that there is still human input needed to decide where a shoulder ends and an arm begins.

    My solution would be to use slow motion cameras and make it based off shoe position. if there is space between the attacker's shoe and the defender's shoe, it's offside
     

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