Vaccine in September?

I think you need to ask questions.

just what are you being inoculated with ?

how can the efficacy of the vaccine be assessed if you haven't got covid 19 in the first place?

 

Do you know what a vaccine is?

It’s to stop people getting it, not to treat it.

The efficiency is assessed by looking at antibodies in your blood.

 

I think you need to go have a read up on what a vaccine actually is and how it works ect.

 

Which begs the question what antibodies are in your blood after the inoculation and how is it assessed if having those antibodies stops someone getting covid 19 - what level of antibodies are needed to be immune?
at the present time there is uncertainty as to whether having had covid19 leads to immunity and if it does for how long.

 

The scientists do the maths and attempt to calculate the amount of antibodies required. And the length of time they exist for is exactly what a clinical trial is there to calculate. They dont just give you a vaccine, do a test the day after and send you on your way. The later phases of testing last month's exactly so they can keep testing for antibodies and for reactions.

If they calculate the level of antibodies required for immunity and they monitor subjects for months they can watch the levels drop and do the calculations as to how often it will need topping up

 

Theraputic Vaccines - read about them!

 

BR - look up Theraputic Vaccines.

 

Fair enough, I haven't actually heard of that before, so that's very interesting.

I do not believe that is the case with these Vaccines for COVID, however.

 

That's not it. And I'm relying on my biology A-Level here, which I sat almost 30 years ago, so I may not be accurate in my explanation as T-cells and memory cells are surfacing from some recess in my head.

You don't have the antibodies of the diseases to which you are now immune floating around in your blood all the time. Once you've had a disease and created the antibodies to defeat it your body creates cells that can quickly create those antibodies again. If a pathogen gets into your body, the first part of the defence strategy is to identify it. If your body has seen it before it signals the cells that create the necessary antibodies and the body is flooded with them in a rapid immune response which prevents a secondary infection.

 

Ah I never knew that. Always thought the antibodies were just there. So how would they go about testing for the longevity of the immunity then?

 

I thought the Oxford one was starting tomorrow? Not ending.

 

You'd have to stimulate the immune response by introducing something the body recognised as the virus but was inactive.

 

A different one I believe. They started one in march which was specifically for frontline workers. Not sure what it's purpose was as it didn't word like a vaccine

 

Maybe I need to read up then!

 

We need a vaccine as our government are incapable of upping testing.

 

Radio 5 had a guest on yesterday from:
The Vaccine Centre (VaC) (a collaborative partnership of over 100 scientists hosted by the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine).
the presenter asked a question as to how long a vaccine normally takes to come to the fore - she said normally up to 10 years! but it has been known in less than 5 years and gave an example - if they can get one in 6 months for this they have worked wonders - lets hope they can.

 

Oh I’m not sure then, not heard of that one.

 

Government trying to save themselves from lawsuits if the Covid vaccine doesn't work.

 

They won't have worked wonders. Well, they will, the science behind formulating a vaccine is amazing. It's a wonderful example of human ingenuity.

But if we release it in six months it will simply mean we forego the years of essential testing to ensure it's safe. If we were facing something like ebola or black death, viruses that just kill you, then there would be a very valid argument for doing so. But this virus isn't like that.

The mortality rate for age groups under 50 is a fraction of one percent. The younger you are, the smaller this is. For those without underlying health conditions it's tiny. To vaccinate these age groups against such a disease using a formula that hasn't been subjected to the usual vigorous testing is a long, long way from the right thing to do.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...CQHAVomXZUwnQwLiEeX_z4e59_3rdcBcRuYh1Z0nkFQ59

Bit negative that. One thing they are probably right about is the rich stockpiling it.