This seasons relegation happened for 2 reasons

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  1. SuperTyke

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    You really think you're the only person who questioned Coles signing?
     
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    I believe the real reason why the owners do not seem to be interested is mostly down to the fact they were unable to get they’re grubby little hands on the stadium and land .
     
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    This seems absolutely spot on.
     
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    Anybody at the club who is or has played or coached in a professional football environment and can see the bleedin obvious.
     
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    Agree with everything here but whilst some of the points contribute to the anger, annoyance, frustration, and sadness towards the running of the club, the destruction of a team going from 5th to bottom of the Championship is the biggest factor causing those feelings. Everything else that has been terrible just add layers on top of that, and shouldn't go unchallenged but I guess as a priority list the focus on the pitch would be first?

    A few other observations to make; we lost our safety officer in the Summer and I think the new officer had to pick up the pieces on some issues left over, other clubs faced the same ticketing issues which I think was linked to Ticketmaster or another company making mistakes, and whilst Conway won't have dictated the poor match day experience getting to grips with that must have been difficult amongst the backdrop of the Summer, recruitment, performances, coaching changes,etc. We've only got a small team behind the scenes compared to almost every other Championship club.

    It can't be a coincidence that when he's been acting CEO the following season has been a disaster. Can it?
     
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    We lost our safety officer. Our head coach plus several others our captain plus several decent players , our ceo . Who replaced them with numpties, Conway i presume the biggest numpty of the lot
     
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    i stopped going in October. Not due to our end of season failures but i didn't like a lot of things going on. The point is Conway is the biggest culprit but not alone. Do you agree?
     
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    I've basically said as much. I think there's been mistakes all over the place, but if you listed a top ten (how bad does that sound by the way) I think he'd have significant, if not complete, ownership of 80% of those issues.
     
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    It makes the whole thing even worse to know that one person can have so much decision making power to contribute to 80% of its issues and 0% of its success (Ok I couldn't find any to get to 20%). I can only assume that the board are backing him.
     
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    I guess as Chairman and acting CEO you've also got carte blanche to crack on with running the club. A CEO only answers to the board to explain and review decisions and performance, in layman terms, rather than seeking the board to ratify each decision made.

    We overestimate the involvement of the ownership group in the day to day running of the club on here sometimes. Hence when the owner is also CEO, and Chairman, with the support of the majority of the shareholders, it's very difficult to enforce any kind of change or veto many of the decisions before they happen.
     
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    You seem to be speaking as if you know the nature of how our the BFC boardroom runs. I know intimately how a boardroom runs but I don't know how the BFC boardroom runs. If I guessed though I think its governance is an issue. Seems an open topic that there are some divides. I wouldn't expect every issue and topic to be ratified but there has been some big ones that I would expect to have passed through the board. I would be interested in understanding how they were made.
     
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    As would the majority of us. I think it's fair to assume, in the midst of these gaps of concrete knowledge, that if it ran traditionally like most companies having the role of CEO, Chairman, and being the figurehead for the majority ownership on the board, would make any challenges difficult to land.
     
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    Possibly, but remember that Lee is Co-Chairman with Conway. Its not a unilateral position. Plus there are several other directors not just one or two.

    technically it should have better governance than in Crynes realm. The belief that it doesn't is worrying.
     
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    Well we lost Billy Beane as a Director pretty early so there's less than there used to be, but I take your point. Difference with when Patrick was here is that he was happy, more times than not, to front up and offer rationale or communication. Even if you didn't agree with it and even when he had a CEO.
     
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    May I ask how you know how decisions are made at the club? Is this something you have inside knowledge on or is it as much a guess as it would be for me to guess that James Cryne has huge influence as part owner AND a figure seen around the club daily?
     
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    Maybe it's 2 + 2 = 5.

    But maybe it isn't. I'm basing it from job titles, the admittance of mistakes in the Summer, and being convinced that James Cryne wouldn't want to steer away from an analytical approach to recruitment.
     
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    But other than two signings we did stick to an analytical approach to recruitment didn't we? We used the same scattergun approach to signing as many kids with good stats as we have done ever since James didn't have any involvement in developing a spreadsheet according to his dad. The difference was that the cycle of signing 20 kids came whilst we were in the championship not league one like we've been fortunate enough to have been the last few times that cycle came round and if anything have been to inflexible in the analytical approach leaving us with a squad of players sorely lacking in experience and quality.
     
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    How many players did we sign this Summer? Was it four? I've tried to blank it out to be honest but think it was Cole, Benson, Iseka and Oulare. When a budget is as fragile as ours, if you're going to go off piste with recruitment on your two biggest earners 'from the pack', you've got to get it absolutely right. We got it horribly wrong, and after a Covid ravaged year before we didn't have the budget to fix those failures in January. So 50% of our budget was completely wasted when we could have got players who made a difference. Contributing to relegation and finishing bottom of the league.
     
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    Oh I completely agree with that. The transfer window was awful. I just think it's a big assumption to make that Con way was acting unilaterally without any input fro his co-owners, especially when one is known to be quite active at the club and it's something which is regularly said by ceo's during fan meetings whenever the court case is mentioned
     
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