I'm not sure the Cryne family have much of a say anymore even if they want to. Beyond my knowledge though. As for Patrick Cryne himself I think you have got to look at the club when he took it over and compare it with the state of the club when the new owners got it. Different situations in many ways. Would the current consortium have looked at a club like Barnsley when it was in the situation it was when Cryne took over?
The new owners are continuing the blueprint that Patrick Cryne started , he sold them the club and the commercial business plan , that’s why they are here . Who was going to buy the club from Cryne , people weren’t queuing up for it , there was no billionaire living on Oakwell Terrace knocking his door down . So far the owners have done what they said they were going to do , they’ve invested the money made on transfers on young players and long contracts and no loan players . Who , honestly, had heard of Daniel Stendel before he was appointed, no one .
Do you believe that Conway’s statement that every penny would be reinvested in the squad has been fulfilled?
Yes mate, I wrote the thread ya commented on. the difference is I assumed that success is the long term key to he plan whereas you thowt that relegation is immaterial... sadly I now think you are right and as long as the cash comes in all's well...….and sod the fans
I don't disagree with you at all. The new owners have picked up where Cryne left off. That's not really my point though. Perhaps I've not explained myself well enough (or am talking nonsense) but it's the intent that rankles with me. It's what football has become. It's now all about money and profit. There's no warmth to it. I am just a statistic now. If Barnsley does do well it will be a by product of the financial strategy not an end in itself. At least Cryne was a fan. The new owners will use you and me and the club to generate money. If we fail to generate profit they will go. There is no love here and no warmth as I said. Have I got an alternative? No. Am I being silly? Maybe so. Am I expressing a genuine opinion because I am a Barnsley person and a fan since the late 1960's? Yes.
We can take a punt on young players from anywhere in the world though, can't we, if they're prepared to come? Not sure the catchment area is an issue. You wouldn't expect the bigger clubs in this league to take a risk on playing these untried players in the Championship, but we're prepared to do it, that's our business model and as a result there'll be a few debacles along the way but so long as the fans keep turning up the owners will try to grow the club by proceeding along this path. From a purely logical point of view it makes perfect sense to me but then I don't travel hundreds of miles to away games so can understand why people get frustrated.
Genuine question. When did you last go to a game? My perception is you only seem to appear when results are negative, are when times are good, you seem to do a vanishing act. Apologies if I’ve just missed the positives amid others comments when we went up last year.
But there are still Barnsley fans in the ownership (Crynes) and the ground is owned by BMBC and the Crynes but the harsh reality of it is , we’ve always just been statistics , the club under Cryne was always run to generate a profit , Cryne said numerous times he would sell to the right people and professed to be a reluctant custodian , business first it’s always been that way
Good point. I was actually talking about catchment area for fans. Even if we got to the Premier League, our attendances will probably have a fixed ceiling. We couldn’t get 40k per home game
I'll stop posting on this thread after this as I suspect I'm becoming tedious. Yes, football clubs have always been businesses. I'm not suggesting otherwise. I'm not disputing any facts about what has transpired. I'm simply saying that the owners are here SIMPLY to make money. That's it. Period. There is no love for Barnsley there. There is no real association. There is no sense of tradition as there was under Dennis and Cryne. Our raison d'etre for being fans now is SIMPLY to help generate money. That's it. If there were no fans and the club was making money the owners would still be here. It is, for me, all about money these days so the result and performance against Luton which pissed so many off occurred exactly because of what I'm suggesting - a consequence of ONLY wishing to make money. You can play devil's advocate, you can tell me I'm not facing reality, you can tell me we will eventually end up winning the Champions League.All well and good if you do and perhaps you'd be right. I still support Barnsley and want the club to do well as I'm from Barnsley, my family are, the club has a great history and I want it to continue. However, I don't like the club being USED simply to generate money because there is a business model which, at the moment, seems to work for a consortium of investors. It makes me uneasy. It makes the link between fan and player weaker as the players never stay, it makes the relationship between fan and owner weaker as the owners are rarely here. I have already stated I have no real alternative so I may come across as simply moaning. If so, apologies. That's my opinion based on how I read the situation however. I get pissed off when the team loses and perked up by a win. If Barnsley got to the Champions League final I'd try and get a ticket. The owners would get tickets. If Barnsley ended up at the bottom of League 2 I'd go and watch. If the club still happened to be making money, so would the owners. I am a Barnsley fan because it's NOT about money. The owners are fans because it's ONLY about money. I've done. I'm boring people to death. Cheers.
Is it really credible to think that the owners won't equate success to profit? They stand to make more money from a consistently successful team. Is it credible to think that DS doesn't always want to put out his best 11? Is it cedible to think that players don't want to play their best when on the pitch? I find the questioning of motivations hard to take. However, the questioning of strategy and tactics to achieve the end goals is valid -and the life-blood of debate.
I really do sympathise with your view of 'the business'. But... Is arse about face. Financial success will only come from sporting success. There's no way of making money from sport without winning - the big prize is getting into and staying in the premiership, 2nd best is being a solidly successful championship side; but the financial difference in those 2 is vast. And just to underline again - there's no money being made from Yo-Yoing between the Championship and League 1 And as for the passion about Barnsley - Seeing Conway interviewed there's no question of what he thinks a day out at Oakwell should be like - it's more than football it's about growing the fanbase by broadening appeal. What's more - you'd be hard pushed to find a more passionate head coach than Stendel. So questioning the motives is I believe vastly misplaced
Plenty of positives, people like yourself only seem to latch onto my criticism sadly. Genuine last match I went to was forest away Jan 6th 2017 when CH scored a worldy in the 86th minute, I was sat in the upper tier Brian clough stand as I wasn’t able to get an away ticket for love nor money. We then had a side capable of returning to the premier league, sadly it was torn apart in that January’s fire-sale and the rest is history as they say. Nothing apart from new owners has changed since our relegation the following season. It all sounds great buying young promising talent however then to rip a promotion side apart instead of just selling a couple at most, and replace with unknown bargain punts for another season of struggle in the championship is not progressing as a club to me, merely hoping to line the pockets of these ‘billionaire’ owners whom to me, regard Barnsley fc as a bit of a play thing to make a few bob hopefully in the process. Any real intent of bringing top flight football to oakwell would be by following the Man City model, pitting the bfc brand on some of their many business interests and using profits to bypass the ffp rules as happens to successful clubs like Man City. That’s my opinion as we are all entitled to voice one. As my OP intimated, without being entertained and seeing ambition being put into place to substantiate BFC as a club trying to go places, as i feel is what is meant to be the primary point of watching football, there seems no point wasting my hard earned until these ‘billionaires’ start to show this intent.
Was a genuine question, not a dig, as I said, I’ve only noted negative comments generally during games, with plenty of poo symbols, so my perception has been you don’t tend to much/at all. I said from day 1, I’ve no idea why these owners bought the club and I’m still none the wiser as we edge closer to 2 years of their ownership.
This With sugar on top. 1) Patrick & James Cryne started it off. 2) Conway etc continue this and take it to the next level - reinvesting in the academy, scouting staff and analytical staff. Club become well known in Europe for this and attracts many foreign players who want the chance to progress in the English game. 3) Sell club for a large profit marketed as a club which yearly makes large profits with all the systems and network in place across Europe. 4) New owner continues the system and draws out a dividend now and again. Maybe opens up the system to Asia and America more. 5) The occasional relegation is to be expected due to new blood, but the year after the new blood do well and can be sold. For us fans, we just have to take the rough with the smooth - which is normal for being a Barnsley fan.
This With sugar on top. 1) Patrick & James Cryne started it off. 2) Conway etc continue this and take it to the next level - reinvesting in the academy, scouting staff and analytical staff. Club become well known in Europe for this and attracts many foreign players who want the chance to progress in the English game. 3) Sell club for a large profit marketed as a club which yearly makes large profits with all the systems and network in place across Europe. 4) New owner continues the system and draws out a dividend now and again. Maybe opens up the system to Asia and America more. 5) The occasional relegation is to be expected due to new blood, but the year after the new blood do well and can be sold. For us fans, we just have to take the rough with the smooth - which is normal for being a Barnsley fan.