The Brexit winning continues

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  1. Don

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    So the amount of trade we had access to wasn’t beneficial?
    And the fact that trade is now lost isn’t doing any harm?

    The EU investment whilst beneficial to many areas of the U.K. is a sideshow. The point of being part of the largest trading bloc in the world was a massive benefit to our economy.

    Denial of that is how we ended up here.
     
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    And from next year, anyone from UK travelling into the schengen area will have to apply for a visa waiver and also pay a fee.
     
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    And where was the will to deliver your vision of brexit?

    There’s the problem. You defend it based on what you think could have been - but it it was patently obvious that what you have described was never going to be delivered.

    And what we’ve got is the single largest act of self harm a country could have inflicted upon itself - until it proceeded to give Boris Johnson a majority.
     
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    Down the years I've had numerous debates with people about what should have happened once the initial advisory non binding referendum result was announced.

    A secondary referendum should have been put together to advise the government of what the public wanted going forward in terms of access to the single market, customs unions and so on.

    Never at any point was there a clear unified position of what brexit was going to be. There was no rigour. It could only get through pretending to be multiple things (as we know, which were untrue anyway) and with the seedy undercurrent of anti migrant sentiment and to ironically scaremonger points put forward by the extremely poor disjointed remain campaign.

    What we have is something nobody voted for and that has compounded the impact of covid. What confuses me is that we had a phase where leave voters told us they knew exactly what they were voting for. If that were true, I have to highly praise their clairvoyant abilities to understand we'd get to a point of breaking international law and committing to remove the human rights act... and being absolutely fine with it.
     
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    Annual loss to UK GDP: £38Bn UK net EU contribution: £13Bn.

    Sovereignty = Boris Johnson et al ruling over us while systematically trashing the checks and balances of the UK constitution.

    No more to be said.
     
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    That’s one aspect of the EU, but what we were really paying for is membership of a club, a club that allows access to a huge marketplace without much paperwork or rules (or rather everyone was playing to the same rules).

    So now we have limited access to the marketplace, we have to to lots more paperwork and still apply the rules (but have no say in the making of those rules).

    And the extra cost of all that paperwork and the limiting of access is costing this country far more than it cost us to be in that club.
     

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