The Brexit winning continues

‘Oven ready’ ‘no Irish seas border’ said the Tories who assured they’d delivered Brexit as per the referendum result

 

The last few weeks there's been various attempts by numerous of the extreme brexit brigade who after the event have started to morph their language.

From the Moggs and Frosts to the Torygraph editorials. Now that it's in the open domain that Brexit costs us 4% GDP a year, these mouths whisper that it was never about the economic aspects. Despite them crowing long and hard about cakeism. Of having their pick of sunlit uplands in every country imaginable (though deals have been rolled over from EU ones and the additional ones signed, especially the Australia one seem to firstly, be a drop in the ocean in terms of additional expected trade, are damaging to the standards we've enjoyed for a long time and tend to be pretty harmful to our own producers and farmers. That's before we talk of the extra carbon impact of shipping things from the other side of the world.

The leave campaign, and then the leave government promised the world and latterly suppressed their own impact studies which would unanimously prove a dip in GDP and therefore trade and value for people of this country, many of which thought they would be met with a whole new realm of opportunities that had been taken from them under EU custodianship.

If there had been truth at the time of the non binding referendum, to say.... people of the country, we can leave, we'll be able to stop foreigners coming but firstly, it will be at economic cost and secondly, we'll struggle in a whole array of sectors given those nasty foreigners actually care for us, serve us, look after us, make stuff, pick stuff and deliver stuff for us, then I suspect Brexit wouldn't have happened.

The extremists went as far as they could. The thinnest of thin deals. Contradictory and nonsense and incredibly self harming.

No single market, no customs union, no Erasmus, no access to Horizon and so much more.

I can see why some people may look at the EU and not like it ideologically. Just like a large number can look at this manifestation of a far right populist party in government and take fear in what disaster they can inflict and what structures they can destroy, erode and remove for their own personal ends without anything to stop them.

Brexit is a shambles. Always was, always will be.

 

Err yes. the EU's own state of the union speech outlined only more integration not compromise. Cameron got nothing basically.

 

As I said there was increasing ‘interest’ towards reform of some sorts, much of it no doubt was in it’s infancy, but the desire was slowly gathering momentum. We’ll never know now how much we could’ve influenced this but it doesn’t matter because apparently we’re heading for ‘sunlit uplands’. And the NHS is £350 million better off, and those Johnny Foreigners are not taking over our country.

 

Definitely mis-managed. But that is for the people of this country to hold the political elite to account, starting with getting shut of FPTP.

 

Holding the political elite to account is all the electorate can do but it is becoming more and more difficult when the avenues and vehicles that people can use to make their decision are largely manipulated and controlled by the current incumbents. We have MPs and their supporters blatantly glossing over, playing down and indeed, excusing behaviour and practices that are basically appalling.

 

What do you suggest to change things?

Back to more local government and less central maybe one option but then it's making sure localities get a fair share of the pot.

Give the electorate more powers to remove their MP's without waiting for a general election? Just ideas

 

I'm sorry but it seems you're saying it's not working because you've not got the brexit you voted for despite being told you'd never get the brexit you voted for.
You were told it would be a disaster by "project fear" and told by Boris and his mates it would all be brilliant.
It isn't and it was never going to be.

 

You really can't dodge responsibility for this by just saying this has been mismanaged. Your vision of Brexit may well be better than what has become reality but you didn't vote for that did you? It wasn't on the ballot paper.
What you did was give the Tories and Farage's band of racists carte blanche to do whatever they liked. And they have.

 

The difference being that the EU paid the money to deprived areas that actually need it like South Yorkshire, whereas our government gives it to its chums like Dido Harding. I know which of those alternatives I would prefer.

 

We also had 15 years of higher economic growth under Labour than we had in the Tory years before and since then. I won't defend Blair for the war because it's indefensible but we as a country were significantly better off under his government.

 

Excellent post.

 

I put a post on here on the morning of the result and headed it "The bigots have won". I upset a lot of people who voted for Brexit because they thought I was talking about them. I was too angry to explain myself at the time. It's the most disappointed I've ever been with the UK electorate.
The bigots I was referring to were Johnson, Farage, I include Corbin and the rest of the liars who brought it about. We were treated later to the spectacle of an arrogant Farage strutting his stuff like the fascist he is in the European Parliament. Later we saw the liar "oven ready" Johnson with an 80 seat majority.
Derided by all and called a bad loser and a remoaner. Well I'm still a remoaner and I still believe we can do more good for the world working inside the EU. It was and is a power grab by selfish people and if you voted for Brexit, I'm not talking about you.
As things have unfolded I think it may have been hatched in the Kremlin and paid for in Londongrad, to prepare for Putins war. I have no evidence but what I am seeing unfold. ps I'm still a bad loser

 

You have £100. You have two choices what to do with that £100

1. Put it in bank A. They will give you back £30 and give £70 to someone in London on your behalf.
2. Put it in bank bank B. They will give you £70 back and give £30 to a family in a poor village in Bulgaria.

Which do you put the money in? In option 1. All of your money stays in UK but you personally get hardly any of it? In option 2. Some leaves the UK but you get more of it back personally.

 

I put it where by trade with my neighbours it turns into £150 and help the most needy with the profits. There is no “stays in this country any more”. The market is global, energy companies are owned by foreign investors, football clubs are owned by global investors. If it stays in this country doing nothing it’s called a recession. That leads to inflation and a genuine reduction in standard of living.
I agree with you by the way. Whether the robbing billionaire is British or any other kind I don’t give a toss. Too much of the worlds resources is tied up in making a small number of billionaires richer.
My belief has always been that more people were against brexit than for it at the time of the referendum but we were browbeaten into keeping quiet. It’s about time more people actually stood and said it was a highjack and a massive mistake and it’s time the opposition in Westminster saw that.

 

A few days ago I was reading about the massive impact that not being part of Horizon was having on UK based scientists and researchers. The net effect being that our scientists miss out on huge amounts of grants that go to companies based in the EU, or, they relocate to the EU to access funding.

 

Who needs science and inovation when you have a government wedded to victorian tenets?

 

Not disputing your logic but when has travel ever been free?

 

Travel isn't free, but supplementary costs were. Dan Snow posted the other day that he had to pay £700 to travel to Italy to film for a few days that would have cost nothing for most of the last 30 years. These costs - visas, carnets, etc - make British business less competitive than Irish business across the EU. And the UK is a majority service-based economy that is now uncompetitive to sell services to the large market that is close to us.