The Brexit winning continues

What’s really being said is that it’s about time we kicked the two party system into the bin. The choice you have is what is the worse of two bad things. We get wild lurches in policy from one side or the other.
First past the post voting renders so many votes irrelevant to the process of government and gives landslides to minority parties. I always voted labour and still would never vote Tory, but I no longer know what labour stands for. I knew what socialism was in the 60s but I’m not sure now.
It’s clear to me that power and influence can be bought by vested interests by making financial contributions, even from foreign powers who are clearly not our friends. Influence of the media and the internet is also more important than the individual vote. Bottom line is that politics need a major change.

 

Altered it for you.
Barnsley (penistone) and Sheffield (stocksbridge) both under labour control. Both fecked over by the tories. (What's that say about the tory voters in those 2 districts. Less than 50% may I add)
Barnsley among the worst, if not the worst, recipients of funding from central government.


Labour councils have borne the brunt of local government cuts over a decade (note over a decade. So Pre and post brexit) of austerity, according to an analysis by the Guardian.

It highlights for the first time the extent to which poorer, largely Labour-held areas of England had their funding slashed on average by at least a third, while more affluent, largely Conservative areas received greater protection.

 

You do realise that if the banks hadn't been bailed out that none of us would have had any money well except those who hide it under the mattress. Every penny that people had in their Bank accounts would have gone along with the banks

 

The leavers can’t claim they didn’t get warned.

 

And now our taxes are going up and our own money is going in Johnson’s mates’ pockets with a British flag on it.

 

Cheer up lass. Let’s all have a sing song….

There'll always be an England
And England shall be free
If England means as much to you
As England means to me

Red, white and blue
What does it mean to you?
Surely you're proud, shout it aloud
Britons, awake

The empire too, we can depend on you
Freedom remains
These are the chains
Nothing can break

There'll always be an England
And England shall be free
If Brexit means as much to you
As Brexit means to me


Or summat like that….

 

What's also baffling is people thinking still being in the EU would have meant no supply chain issues, no cost of living crisis, no war in Ukraine, no rise in inflation, millions of pounds being fired over from Brussels to areas like Barnsley.

 

People don't think that. That would be as daft as thinking we were going to get £350 million a week given to the health service.
Tell us all how we're better off for leaving.

 

We got our sovereignty back. Apparently this means we can now opt out of the European Convention on Human Rights, break international laws and trade agreements and generally behave like a rogue state.

 

What's really baffling is why we had to do it in the first place other than to hand more power to Westminster when Westminster clearly doesn't give a toss about working people.

 

People don't believe that? Jump on the twittersphere and take a look.

It is impossible to assess any impact of pretty much any such decision with the elements mentioned. Not until the world settles down and we get back to some sort of normality can we make any real comparisons.
But anything that stops further political entwinement with the monster EU wannabe superpower is a massive benefit of leaving.

Don't get me wrong there are 100% multiple negatives in leaving. For me it's not the decision to leave, it's how it is being done that is the let down.

I've said numerous times, I'd be prepared to take a hit financially if it meant breaking those political ties with the EU and its ultimate end goal of fiscal union and budgets dished out alone by Brussels not at national level. Our Vetoes were slowly being removed, it is only a matter of time until they finally remove all vetoes and move to majority voting. One of the main issues with this political and fiscal union is the pressure it places on all member states to measure up to powerhouse Germany for instance. Countries are being shafted trying to keep up with the friendly neighbours and EU rules. We are better out of such a power hungry machine.

My preference would have been keeping FOM for work and pleasure purposes. Agreement that if you wanted to permanently settle in the UK then that would be through further application, mirrored for UK residents ot the EU. Pay a fair fee to have access to the trade freely in the single market with a simple minimum standards agreement for trade between UK and EU. Sign similar ongoing co-operation agreements for development in sciences, green technologies and security.

If it is managed well, we make a big success of Brexit, but it isn't, we are just seemingly have the same war of words over and over with the EU.

One benefit of leaving that should be taken advantage of is getting out of the EU farming quotas and doing things which work for this country. Again it isn't being implemented correctly. Listen to the farmers and public need.

Boost our manufacturing capability so we can eventually rely less on imports. Target key areas and use state subsidies to make it more attractive get this off the ground.

Plenty of benefits but as I said it is how things are managed / governed.

 

‘If it is managed well, we make a big success of Brexit, but it isn't, we are just seemingly have the same war of words over and over with the EU.’
You have too much faith in A Tory govt to deliver ‘ Success’ for the majority of us. A Party who’s main interest is to keep this country deep and bitterly divided. Added to that they have control of large parts of the press and media to spread their lies and propaganda. Plenty of benefits for them, some for others but very little for anyone else.

 

Point to me where it says faith to deliver?

I'm clearly saying it isn't being managed or governed well.

 

I’m a Labour Party member but my patience is being sorely tested by the likes of David Lammy making it clear they have no intention of rejoining the single market if elected. I absolutely think that PR is the way forward as FPTP is corrupting politics by allowing the governing party to have an unassailable majority with a minority of the electorate voting for it.

 

I mentioned above about the single market. Surely there is an agreement where without re-joining the EU, we pay a far smaller fee for single market access. It would be a benefit to business both sides UK and EU.

 

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Simply by ‘ saying if it is managed well’ to me implies having faith in Brexit in the first place, it was never going to deliver because it never had a meaningful plan to start with. It was always a case of ‘get out’ and take it from there. In the meantime horrible and useless politicians and politicians wannabes came to the fore

 

No remember ‘out means out’

 

Yeah so mis-managed. You're getting there.

Simply staying the in EU was the wrong thing to do. This line of we could have changed from within was ******, the will to do that was not there, only the desire to entwine further.

 

Yeah but there's out and there is out out.

 

Err, no, Increasingly there was a shift of opinion from various countries towards some sort of reform. Problem was Cameron, by trying to placate the right-wing Tory back-benches and decided it was best use tactics of chest beating and name- calling prior to attending EU meetings. Basically he didn’t embrace the spirit of compromise before he even left theses shores