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  1. YT

    YT Well-Known Member

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    I have nothing to hide. My opinions, political beliefs, and moral convictions are well known. I’ve remained consistent throughout my adult life - always a socialist, firmly left-wing, and anti-war. I understand that my views aren’t shared by most, and I’ve had to come to terms with living in a right-wing, pro-war, capitalist society.

    I will continue to express my disgust at the actions of states engaged in genocidal practices, such as Israel, and at the governments of other nations that enable or support such atrocities.
     
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    I know for a fact you know nobody in the middle east if you actually believe this.
     
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    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    When you say "praying Israel win" you presumably mean they're praying for the flattening of Tehran and killing of their kids?

    How many are they hoping die in this weird dream of yours?
     
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    I have an Iranian colleague and she’s praying that her relatives in Karaj aren’t caught up in this horrific situation. It’s close to Tehran and a city that’s hugely industrial.
     
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    I don’t think it’s irrelevant at all what the other parties would do, as the current govt will have to justify (try to) any ‘involvement’ and if they would do differently should say so.
     
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    Starmer, Lammy and the UK state are currently making just enough fuss about dead Palestinians to make it look like they remotely care, whilst still allowing Israel to carry out it's objectives.

    If this wasn't the case then they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. Believe your own lying eyes if you like....
     
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    Gaza’s civil defence agency said Israeli troops killed 20 people waiting to collect food on Monday, the latest deadly incident near a US-backed aid centre in the Palestinian territory’s south, AFP reports.
     
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    People have short memories regarding regime changes' i remember when Sadaam was ousted every expert worth their salt told the powers that be that they'd be a massive power vacuum and extremists splinter groups would flourish' then lo and behold ISIS appeared on the scene' we know the rest.
     
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    For years now you have defended Israel on pretty much everything and slammed anyone who you see as anti Israel.

    Makes me think there may be a reason for this and that you aren't exactly impartial
     
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    Well Socialism does tend to lead to tyranny so I can see why people on the left would side with Iran. Personally taking absolutist positions just leads to having to defend things which can't be defended, as I am not unencumbered by such a burden I can equally be disgusted with the behavior of the IDF in Gaza AND hate the Iranian regime and hope the current conflict leads to their downfall.
     
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    Wow!!
    Israel is carrying out genocide in Gaza, and you actually think ordinary people of Iran want Israel to win, where the butcher of Gaza, Netanyahu, will carry on, and do the same in Iran. ffs.
     
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    At no point have I “sided” with Iran. It’s not the school playground. My criticism of the Israeli government’s actions - particularly in Gaza, where humanitarian norms are being severely violated - isn’t synonymous with endorsing the Iranian regime. My concern is with the protection of innocent lives, the adherence to international law, and the rejection of collective punishment as a form of policy. That’s a principled stance, not a partisan one.

    You mentioned that socialism tends to lead to tyranny. While there have been authoritarian regimes that called themselves socialist, the core values of socialism - economic democracy, social equality, public ownership for public benefit - are not inherently tyrannical. In fact, many of the most democratic and equitable societies in the world today (Scandinavia is a great modern example) embrace strong social democratic principles. If anything, unregulated capitalism and authoritarian neoliberalism have more often resulted in the concentration of wealth and power, erosion of civil liberties, and mass exploitation - forms of tyranny by other means.

    I can condemn the Iranian regime’s repression and theocratic authoritarianism. But that condemnation doesn’t require silence when other states commit grave abuses. If anything, consistency requires that we speak out against all injustice. No?

    This isn’t about “siding” with any state actor. For me, it’s about upholding universal human rights and calling for accountability wherever it’s due — whether in Tehran, Tel Aviv, or London.
     
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    The regime in Iran, for better or worse, is a direct result of the intervention of the American and British governments in the 1950s - so events today can be traced back to the (arguably illegal) actions of the famous socialists Winston Churchill and Eisenhower.
     

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