It reminds me of the so called victims of the Klu Klux Klan deliberately provoking the KKK Into lynching them by being so black just so they could ridiculously claim to have been the victims of racism. They should have followed the example of that clean living chap Michael Jackson by pretending to be white thus avoiding lynching but no they just play the victims.
I came here to comment that. Did they know at the time that he was illegally carrying? Surely they can't keep giving the reason 'they had a gun' as an excuse to kill people in a place where guns are allowed. If he/other people who have been shot were pointing a gun directly at them then fair enough but the police are giving reasons in other cases like 'they started to move their right arm and the gun is on their right hand side'. I imagine it would be quite hard to not move your arms at any point whilst walking and just because you have a gun there like anyone is allowed to have, then I don't think that justifies a killing. I'm not sure what the solution is as obviously I don't want a police officer being shot whilst they wait and see but then I don't want the other person being shot wrongly either, both deaths are just as bad.
Yes they knew he was illegally carrying a gun because he had it in his hand They are both as bad. The solution is obvious though isn't it, ban guns. My point though was that as usual the victim was failing to comply with a simple and standard police command, the colour of his skin didn't cause his death his conolete failure to follow what is a standard police command led to his death. That doesn't mean that shooting him is the correct or best course of action for the police to take but it WAS the biggest factor in what led to his death. Just like it is in the vast majority of cases. You have to look at it like this. Was he killed for being black or was he liked because he was ignoring a standard and clear police instruction? The answer to that is quite clear from every single video released by the police and by his own wife. The evidence also all points to him having a gun in his hand and refusing to drop it. That evidence is as follows 1. He has an ankle holster designed for holding a gun strapped to his ankle 2. The video shows that the holster is empty BEFORE he is shot. 3. The gun is recovered shortly after he is shot. 4. His family claim he was holding a book (a claim they have now taken back) meaning that they admit he had SOMETHING in his hand. 5. His own age screams 'keith don't do it's literally seconds before he is shot. Fact 3 shows that he did have a gun. Fact 2 shows it was not in its holster. Fact 4 and 5 suggest very heavily that it was in his hand, the only alternative was that it wss join his pocket which makes no sense at all when he had a holster designed specifically for carrying a gun. Now you've got a guy holding a gun who is point blank refusing to comply with a standard police request. a request shouted 11 times to him and ignored. THAT led to his death not the colour of his skin. Oh by the way the officer who shot him was black.
I never made any reference to the colour of his skin as I wasn't talking specifically just about this case and any potential racism in this case or any other. I'm aware that this thread is about Keith Scott but I'm just contributing an opinion in general about deaths caused by police shooting. I agree 100% that guns should be banned, if nothing else to prevent deaths from police who instantly think that anyone and everyone they see a) has a gun (which is legal there incidentally) and b) is going to shoot them with it. After each shooting we hear the excuse 'they had a gun'. Now, I'm not sure of the percentage of Americans who carry (I'm sure someone will inform me) but I reckon a lot of people are carrying guns, just because they can. That doesn't mean that the people they see with one are murderers and going to shoot them. They may have been doing something else illegal at the time which doesn't paint them in a great light but it doesn't mean that they are capable of murder and therefore a killing is justified. Many many times the excuse after a killing has been simply 'they thought he had a gun', 'they thought his hand may have be going near his gun' etc. I also don't think that not complying to a police command instantly should carry a death sentence. Again, I don't think the police should have to wait and see as they could be dead by then but they need an alternative - taser maybe? I'm not exactly up on weapons but there needs to be a different approach than just kill anyone who has a gun somewhere on their person who doesn't comply immediately as I guess that would be a good proportion of the population (obviously if they are pointing the gun at them then fair enough).
GUNS? Normal civilisations restrict gun control. The USA, that, .... is a ****ed up country. 150 million in poverty with no social mobility. (The reason the USA exists is for social mobility). Easy to edit footage to show it proves nothing, when video evidence is there.
That is pretty selective viewing of the footage. I suppose we ignore the police banging on the glass, the repeated statements that there isn't a gun (how do you comply with a request to drop something if your position is you haven't got one?), or that he was shot backing away. I can't believe for a second you think the police reaction is appropriate. Oh and regarding point 5 it is in no way clear who she is saying "don't do it" to, or what is meant by it. Have you never seen The Fugitive? You would definitely have executed Dr Richard Kimble.
Fully agree that something needs to be done to remove the issue of guns. Police need a less lethal way of immobilising them and the public needs to get rid of their guns in the first place. I can kind of understand why as a police officer your first instinct would be to shoot rather than to taser somebody because if I thought somebody was going to shoot me I would be going for the thing I had that 100% guarantees you are stopping them rather than the thing that probably stops them. Im not sure what the solution to that is, whether it is to train them better so that they have more confidence in the taser doing its job or whether it is to come up with an alternative to the taser in the first place. I can also understand how, in such a backwards gun happy country as America where shootings and even school shootings are sadly not uncommon that police are on edge as soon as they see somebody with a gun who refuses to put it down when asked. The 'other' black guy who was shot by police recently is a good example. He was asked to stop several times but for reasons known only to himself (OK drugs) he walked over to his car whilst having his hands in the air. Now in one respect he did has he was told, he raised his arms, in the other he ignored calls to stop and walked over to his car window. As soon as he got to his window (there is debate over whether it was up or down) he was shot by police. Was that shooting justified? I don't know. What I do know though is that the officer who shot him immediately shouts 'shots fired' over the radio and the panic and fear in her voice was 100% real. There is no doubt in my mind that she shot him because she **** herself and the reason she **** herself? Because so many Americans have guns and so many are so eager to use them. It's a sad state of affairs and something needs doing about it but I just think that trying to make it a black versus white issue is wrong when the evidence clearly shows that in the vast majority of cases the victim is failing to comply with instructions and a weapon is involved from their side which makes the issue a gun issue not a colour issue and secondly the evidence also shows that black men killed by police are in a small, small minority. 1700 (roughly) people have been shot by police since January 1 2015, just 431 of them were black. That to me shows that the issue of police shooting and killing suspects is not a race issue, it is a gun issue and until they realise, acknowledge and campaign against THAT then nothing will change, we will just continue to ignore and overlook the deaths at the hands of police of white, Hispanic, Asian, Indian people and instead focus solely on tge deaths f black people and act like only they are killed. They aren't. All the evidence and statistics prove they aren't. Guns need removing from he backwards country, that is the only solution. Actually what they need to do is to create a better body cam, it's 2016 and we have them falling off or failing to work. Why cant one actually be built in to the uniform instead of clipped on? Then they need to educate everyone in America on what to do regarding guns when stopped by police. It must actually be quite hard if you have a gun and police stop you because to put it down you HAVE to grab it right? If I have a gun in my pocket then I can't put that gun on the floor without putting it in my hand first. There have been several cases where somebody has been simply trying to put the gun down and a panicked officer has shot them. Maybe if a clear and set procedure was implemented and advertised that would reduce deaths PS sorry for the length of my posts, I didn't realise till after I posted
It doesn't matter how many times a suspects wife says there isnt a gun if there clearly is one does it? An empty holster was attached to his leg, a gun covered in his DNA and blood was taken off him seconds after he was shot (and photographic evidence proves this). Does it matter if his wife at the time shoutedmhe doesn't have a gun when it is clear that he did? The are only two ways for that gun covered in his DNA and God to have come to be at the side of him immediately after his death. 1. He had a gun. 2. The police framed him and planted a gun covered in his DNA right next to him seconds after shooting him. For 2 to be possible they would have to be extremely quick and also why has his wife not gone to the media saying she watched them plant a gun straight after? I mean she obviously must have watched that as she was standing right there. The reason? Because he had a gun and it was not in his holster. It doesn't matter how many times I shout that I'm not doing something if I am doing it
When, literally every moron, can & will (in one in 500000 cases) buy a gun & some amo. Eventually a lot of dead folks are there. Hmm. Glad UKIP / BNP aren't in power.
You have to ask yourself this though Since strict gun control and the handgun ban in the uk has gun crime got any less If it doesn't work here ,what chance America just a thought
Yes. Gun crime is far, far lower in the UK than in America. Gun crime in the US is 30 times that of gun crime in the UK (per thousand population)
Who are you talking about, Mark Duggan? I think he was targetted because he was a gun-carrying drug dealer rather than because he was black. Or are you talking about the 2 black people shot and killed in the 5 years since then? I don't think there's a big problem in this country, neither do the BLM UK people really since all they go on about is environmentalism.