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  1. lk3

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    I agree 2 years is a reasonable timescale to assess.
    I would add in a caveat in that though in that until we are established in the Championship it will be very difficult to make a sizeable difference in a commercial view.
    I’m not talking about a few quid like the fanzone etc generates real amounts, which comes from sponsorships and partnerships with businesses.
    Ultimately it’s another reason for the club to need Championship football.
     
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  2. Gordon Owen

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    Yeah, it's that easy.
     
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    Well that's that then. Just carry on what we're doing.

    Its obviously working to perfection.
     
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    The difference being the scale of our selling. Imagine if we had sold Evans, McCarthy and Aylott in the summer of 1981 after our promotion from the 3rd tier.
     
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    Trouble is, these owners have massively ballsed up this part of their plan from before a ball was kicked this season.

    Their actions or inactions I believe are quite telling for their future involvement in our club for me. They’ve had over two years and we are now in a worse position than when they took over from a footballing POV.

    I just cannot see them improving Barnsley FC any more than keeping us solvent.
    Footballing success wise if they maintain their current form and blind naivety they will take us down the football leagues and not up imho.
     
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    Fonzie Well-Known Member

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    As has been said before on here.

    Nobody wants us to go bust. But a preference of quality over quantity is badly needed.

    If our tactic is to basically wait for 23 other clubs in the division to enter administration, then I can't wait.
     
  8. Gordon Owen

    Gordon Owen Well-Known Member

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    Our tactic is to break even every year as stated by Paul Conway.
     
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    Cracking.

    I might go and sit in a branch of B and Q every Saturday then, and support them in their quest to break even. I imagine there's nothing better than a last minute sale at 4.59pm on a Friday - it'll really get the blood flowing and passion up.
     
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    BBS in 5 years time:

    We can't afford league 1 wages anymore, remember Bury, league 2 is our level now anyway etc
     
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    The table in the previous post summarises the pay and profit figures from the last submitted accounts, of the teams playing in the Championship this season, but the figures relate to season 2017/18 . After the name of the team, I have included the league that they played in in that season. The figure for pay covers all pay, and not just the pay of the players. Our pay figure (£10,598,821) is by some distance the lowest of all the clubs who played in the Championship in that season. In the case of Blackburn and Wigan, it is lower than their pay figures even though they were playing in the lower league.

    It has been stated that all we needed to do this season is pay the same total pay to fewer players. That would still mean that our total pay budget was a fraction of the pay of most of our rivals. Would that really have been the answer, as advocated by those who offer that as a solution. I leave others to answer that question.
     
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    No-one can answer that. It depends which players we would have bought instead of the ones we did.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not but we will never know. What is questionable is the standard of footballer currently at the club overall appears much worse than when these owners purchased the club. If they carry on in the same vein then it logically stands to reason the level Barnsley FC play at will get lower and lower over time under these owners does it not?
    Will this be deemed successful I wonder purely because the club is operating on a sound financial footing regardless of the drop in footballing talent and success?

    I don’t believe the owners plan is working under its current guise or ever will for that matter.
     
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  15. Gordon Owen

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    Make sure you don't choose Stairfoot.
     
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    At the start of the 2017/18 season (When those contracts were negotiated), who owned the club?

    Also, what was the size of the playing squad?
     
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    And there.... no doubt is one of the main reasons we see so many empty seats in the home section... Many who have supported the club over long periods of time have stopped going for more or less the same reasons stated ..many before 2017...

    Little exercise for you be that young or old.... Ask 10 former attendees when and why they stopped going I bet one of the main reasons will be the lack of ambition and the fact we sell all our best players rinse and repeat on all mistakes.... We were told and have been told relegation allows us to re build and come back stronger.... Ask yourselves this has it... Don't make me laugh.... We never learn... All our problems are and have been board led... This lot will have two lots of relegation on their hands.... They create the problems the fans fall out with each other blame the manager the players whilst Conway and Co sit back laughing smoking their big fat cigars whilst we act like the very fools they want us to be...keep the money ball gravy train rolling guys. And still some folk defend them
    Those that come out with statements that they aren't getting another penny from me become another part of the Gale that blows tumble weed across the plains of joke well... Tumble weed that manifests into another empty seat.... How many more empty seats does it take before those in charge listen...
    Pardon the pun but the answer to that is blowing in the wind.... They never listen
     
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    all we needed to do this season was:

    not break up (sell) a winning team
    Add one or two or three players of quality preferably who had experience playing in this league

    it’s that simple

    what we did was shameful and shambolic
     
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    Would the overspending and financial chaos in the Championship be reduced if promotion to the Premier League was abolished?

    Financial regulation and FFP-type rules could be greatly strengthened if the EFL was hermetically sealed?
     

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