Palestine Action

That would be an interesting outcome after the were openly pro-trans until the supreme court ruling at which point they immediately aligned with the court and openly stated that the courts say is final. If they were to go against the courts if this goes against them it will cause absolute chaos amongst the left wing of the party.

 

Given that the Government’s own advisors said there was no evidence to suggest the group advocated violence towards people and to proscribe them as a terrorist organisation would be unprecedented they still went ahead and did it . If the High Court rules against this Coopers position is untenable .

 

The cash she received from pro-Israeli businessman Gary Lubner last year will have had no bearing on her decisions, I’m sure. Or the money from Jonathan Mendelsohn, former chairman of the LFI.

 

Yep. The MI5’s Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre reckon nothing that PA had done amounted to terrorism. Amnesty International called the proscription a ‘dangerous precedent’.

And so we have a situation where Israel can destroy 96% of the buildings in Gaza, murder tens of thousands of innocent people, including a disproportionate amount of women, children and journalists, starve the trapped population who remain, in a blatant genocide, and if you dare to speak up you’ll be arrested.

The Israeli PM is a war criminal. He’s wanted by the ICC for crimes against humanity. Yet we’ve national news broadcasters live streaming his speeches.

But Doris, 83 and in a wheelchair holds up a placard saying she opposes genocide and supports Palestine Action and she’s arrested.

And still, there’s folk on here who are defending this government. Or, staying very quiet having been quite the opposite previously. Maybe it’s the shame. I’d feel shameful if I’d voted this regime in too.

 

Violence towards people is not the only qualifying criteria. See section 1(2)(b) Terrorism Act 2000.

 

And the other day we had an Israeli complaining about how inhumane Hamas are for ‘starving’ his brother, who is one of the hostages. You couldn’t make it up, could you. Israel are starving the whole of Gaza, but Hamas are inhumane because his brother is one of the people not receiving enough food.

 

Couldn't have put it better.

 

Yeah but have you considered the fact she wears a red rosette?

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the 'speechwriter' hasn't just used Ai and asked ' how to write a speech on immigration'.

 

All the things she would ban if you gave her a little money. Money money money.

Such absolute blatant corruption.

 

Grosvenor Square ( outside the US Embassy) was the venue for a famous riot.

 

Criminal Damage isn’t the same as violence towards property and of all the people who should know that Starmer , former civil rights barrister , should ( he does know because he defended a similar case to Palestine Actions damage to an RAF plane and won calling it a landmark judgement)

 

Not to forget that the definition is also Labour's, a catch-all authored by Blair....had The Tories shoehorned that clause in in Keir's time in opposition he would have been brandishing his human rights card, but he's now shamelessly prepared to use it himself.

 

The relevant criteria is "serious damage to property" under section1(2)(B) of the Terrorism Act 2000. There can be arguments (and no doubt will be in the High Court case) about whether what occurred amounted to serious damage. That's a question of fact. As a matter of law, the Home Secretary was entitled to add the organisation to the list of those proscribed if she formed the view that the criteria was satisfied. That view was ratified in Parliament, but will be further tested for lawfulness in the High Court. It will be interesting to see what happens, and instructive going forward.

Let's not forget though, that the Home Secretary also alluded to violent acts committed by the group which could not be made public for legal/security reasons. That's unsatisfactory in terms of the publics' ability to hold ministers to account, but hopefully the High Court will look into those further allegations on the publics' behalf - even if it has to do so in camera.

 

Hamas knew full well that their action on October 7 would provoke a massive response from the Israeli government, and that ordinary Palestinian citizens would largely bear the brunt of that response. None of which justifies Israeli genocide.

 

They did' and Netanyahu also knew that allowing it to play out would get him the green light from the entire western world to do exactly what he's done. I remember Bidens words clearly " go get your revenge". The poor people of Gaza were doomed from the start.

 

I think we are all broadly supportive of the aims of Palestine Action - although we can argue whether their methods deserved the response is debatable - but what they should probably do is take a leaf from the far rights book. Form a new group (call it Palestine Justice or something similar), with different leadership and stick to the non-violent, not breaking into airbases, kind of protests. Keep them firmly this side of any arguments about whether they can be called terrorists.

 

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/...-for-protesters.-now-he-calls-them-terrorists

 

I see where you’re coming from — tactics absolutely shape how a movement is perceived and whether it can build broader public support. But I think we also need to recognise that non-violent protest and direct action aren’t always so cleanly separated. Many historic justice movements — from the Suffragettes (as referred to already) to the US civil rights movement — were labelled “extremist” or even “terrorist” by those in power at the time, even when their methods were disruptive but non-lethal.

Maybe the real question isn’t whether the methods are squeaky clean, but whether they’re proportionate to the harm they’re trying to stop. And in many ways, Palestine Action have already succeeded in forcing arms companies and the government to confront an issue they’d rather ignore, with several targeted sites shutting down or ending contracts.