Our owners were in touch with Struber whilst Stendel was our manager

Can you point me in the direction to the place where all the things you have insinuated in this thread have been proven as fact and not just your own hunches

 

Guilty as charged. I think Struber is a great manager. I also think he's a rubbish manager. Often within the same 90 minute period.

 

Old news. All this was confirmed when Struber was announced. Nothing new here.

 

Assume you mean the 2 members were me and Jay. ( As for the report I think rightly or wrongly the feedback was at a time when Gally was unavailable) . Jay was going to pass a report for Gally to feed back on. I remember at the time Jay saw something differently to me. When we spoke after it was clear one of us misunderstood what was meant on one particular point. Which happens in many meetings I have attended. (In all meetings irrespective of it being the fans forum. Work related. committee etc) When you sit there for hrs on end you may get a point but misinterpret the meaning.) If I remember right We both discussed ( yourself and me, apologies if not) what was meant by the best transfer period ever. You have your slant on it. and bring it to everyones attention at any and every opportunity. My slant on it. After hearing what they meant by it are totally different to yours. It's quite clear on this thread you've raised. People interpret it differently. I personally am not looking to catch the club out on every statement put out. unlike it appears you do. I have many misgivings about the way the club is run. The plan. The lack of communication. But in all honesty could I call them liars. An emphatic No. As I have no proof. I'm glad they seem to be swaying away from the ultimate plan. But a little too late. Although I hope not. If we manage to stay up. I believe ( hopefully) they will not stick so rigidly to the original plan and listen to advice from outside sources. As for recording meetings ( other than minutes) You'd be hard pressed to get permission. But I seem to remember that last particular meeting was. I personally have no agenda to put the owners of the club in a good light. I ask questions that some people may be uncomfortable with. Be it asking or responding. Then I report back my interpretation as I see it without bias.

 

Brilliant post

 

Don’t think I saw you’re interpretation of ‘best window ever’ explanation.
As you say we see others could you summarise again please?

 

There's far more to Daniel's abilities than simply drinking in the Garrison. When he took over in the Summer of 2018, the club was flat and down after relegation. There were numerous posters on here more than willing to predict another relegation battle because of the situation. However, not only did he start building up the belief and self confidence of the players, he also did it with the fan base. He also brought a pressing game to the squad demanded by the board. Players like Alex Mowatt, Cameron McGeehan & Brad Potts suddenly started showing desire, abilities and commitment not seen from them under previous Head Coaches. We won automatic promotion for the first time since 1997. We went through the entire season unbeaten at home for the first time since 1968. We had the club record highest points total for a season since three points for a win was introduced (one point short of averaging two points per game). Four players included in the Division 1 Team Of The Season. Stendel himself was awarded the EFL Division 1 Head Coach for the season. Five players made it into the PFA Division 1 Team Of The Season. It certainly WASN'T a case of him just turning up at work and promotion being handed to us on a plate.
Unfortunately, when he wanted to bring in a bit more experience to go with the young players the club was signing, he wasn't backed by the board. This campaign has shown just how successful that proved to be.
We now get fans who want to rewrite history to meet their personal agenda against Daniel for some reason, throwing accusations against us who rated & appreciated him.

 

Don't you go bringing a positive view into this thread and this board. It's just not called for!

 

Not just that or Jack Ross would have had Sunderland automatically . promoted. DS is not a god but he gave us a brilliant season of football, exuded the passion we as fans wanted ( well I do ) and broke club records in his first season in a foreign country.

 

At what point did our board ask permission from his former employers to be able to speak with him... Surely they are open to accusations of tapping him up... Let's not overlook this.. did they when inquiring originally go through the official channels, from what I've read so far I'd lay money on it they didn't...

In my opinion Conway and Co have more faces than the town Hall clock... They tell you what they think you want to hear.. Lies are second nature to them...
If they want to continue trying to **** up our backs with continuous lies may I suggest they wait until we once again close our own eyes to sleep.... because at the moment most of us have them on fixed wide open mode and are focused on conways lips knowing when they move slightly bull **** is bound to spill forth......

 

Meaning the amount of business. That had been done. Total Number of signings. Eg
Collins
Radlinger
Andersen
Diaby
Wilks
Halme
Oduor
Sibbick
Thomas
Chaplin
Some for the development squads. That I'd have to check.
I know some talk about it meaning the quality. But it's not as how read it or how it came over to me. If I'm wrong so be it.

 

That's the most prolific transfer window. Greatest/best suggests quality as well as quantity.

 

It was the guy's opinion. Opinions are not fact. When I heard the statement originally, I thought, "Well, that's your opinion. My opinion is that there are too many youngsters". It does not mean that he lied. It means that his opinion was not borne out by subsequent events. Calling people liars is very, very emotive, and the term should be reserved for occasions when it is indisputable. In my opinion.

 

Your take on it Helen fair enough. Not how I see it. It’s a play on words. when I went to the meeting it was explained in more detail.
Lots say they’re asset stripping what evidence can people provide.
Signing players on longer contracts to get the best price as and when they leave. Is common sense. People criticised P Cryne for not doing enough to keep people at the club. Some want us to pay the same wages as Wendy. Derby. Brum. Where’s that get you. This is not definitely aimed at you Helen. But the people who post without any reason or logic. Opinions Eh.

 

Then the tweet was just badly worded I guess. It said that the timing wasn't right but they kept in touch rather than stopped contact when Daniel was appointed. Not a dig at the tweeter, just highlighting an issue with the system.

Aye alright Paul
Only joking. What I meant about meetings being misinterpreted is exactly as you say. You and jay took a comment to mean two different things and depending on which of you fed the information back the vast majority then got two totally different stories. Not your fault and not jays fault but it's hardly ideal when that happens is it.

The supporters trust meetings I have no problem with (though still think should be recorded), the special invite meetings I am totally against as that really is a two tier system of people handpicked by the club. If they have information to give out then give it out, don't go via a third party for absolutely no reason.

You might not have any reason to keep the owners sweet (I've actually no idea which group you represent at the meetings) but there are a lot of people who do. Upset them and risk losing access to the meetings, losing access to information for example. For some it's simply losing their position of power which is a reason a lot of people in all walks of life volunteer for things. For others it's a case of the club helping them out with access to tickets for away games (I mean helping and making it easier for them rather than giving them too many tickets). Upset people and risk losing access to those perks. Now that doesn't mean that they would lose that access but surely it's in the back of at least a few people's minds even if not yours.

Anyway going back to the point of misleading information coming from meetings. The supporters trust tweet said that he was approached before Stendel was appointed but it wasn't the right time. They stayed in touch and called him when Stendel left and he took the job.
Now I read that as saying they approached him before Stendel got the job. He turned it down but they kept in touch throughout stendels tenure, eventually calling to offer the job after he left. Hickey who was there says that the tweet doesn't mean that and actually means he was only in contact before Daniel was appointed which isn't what the tweet says is it? "We kept in touch" implies KEPT in touch not "was in touch for a few weeks till they set on Daniel then wasn't in touch for over a year". Obviously it's just a badly worded tweet but I'm sure you can see my point in how the second hand information gets misread so easily when that's the tweets coming out of the meeting second hand. Had it been recorded and access granted to everyone then the middle man and ambiguity has gone surely?

Radio interviews with managers are recorded, they don't tell the interviewer that they must talk without a mic and then try their best to remember what was said. Just seems a very secretive way of doing things for no gain. If anything was said at the meeting that shouldn't have been said then surely they shouldn't have said it. If they said it but didn't want it repeating then isn't that choosing to alienate thousands? (Again that applies more to the invite meetings)

 

Is it his opinion when it is the chairman of part owber of Barnsley fc saying it WAS the best rather than he regarded it the best? For me when a spokesman for a company makes a statement those words are regarded as facts not that person's personal opinion.

If it was just an opinion then imo that showed an alarming disrespect for the history of the club.

 

100% agree. I could never call anyone a liar unless I have proof.

 

Thank you.

 

It's a poor argument Sunderland, their situation is few and far between. We were the promotion favourites - we went up. It's what we were expected to do with the ability of the squad and the cost compared to the rest of the league.