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  1. Arc

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    Textor and Conway are part of the Miami football investor cabal.

    Conway has, according to press reports, been advising Textor.

    Without that relationship i’m pretty sure there would not have been a deal. If they are paying anything i’d be very surprised.
     
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    I seem to remember we did (mostly) all think Schopp would be a decent appointment… back in August…
     
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    I read something like that too, but also can’t remember where.
    Sure someone on here said he was paid but the Transfer fee was linked to appearance.
     
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    Gonna be in for a shock then, he described their football as
    “I love the style of play very technical, move the ball around a lot, the wingers are flying all over the field so it is an entertaining brand of football.”
     
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    We're hopefully OK in this regard, unless the terms were specified in minutes.

    The fact that we did this kind of deal does point to a concern as to playing time (which would be logical given his prior history), so it's not like we were unaware of the risks at the time. It doesn't look like the same caution was factored into his wage deal to a sufficient extent.
     
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    I suppose if the fee we pay is based on appearances for Barnsley, and
    3 years at £6800 a week is a million quid.
    If we’d paid him half that in wages and a £500k fee we’d probably take it on the chin. Just shows the risk in our model. If we can get a Molenbeek to sign him for 250k at the end of the season we’ll have almost broken even.
     
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    I think the general experience is that we hope this is the case based on what we can read about them, as they're all unknowns to us when appointed.

    We probably gave the Schopp decision a greater benefit of the doubt following the success of the previous unknown, so the track record looked better than at the time we appointed Poya.

    Even though we've had two of my favourite coaches working for these owners, my reaction to their announcements were still generally the same (i.e. a Wikipedia search) as they are for all the others. Gone are the days where I expected us to appoint anyone I was familiar with and could get excited about beforehand.
     
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    What is worse? Taking on a known coach and being disappointed à lá Danny Wilson v2 or taking an unknown and being amazed eg Gerhard Struber.
    It’s the classic under promise and over deliver, surely?
     
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    Wow Textor must be short of mates..
     
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    So did we sign him from dial a dagger?
     
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    I am not sure why we would let him go on loan anywhere if it was not to the benefit of BFC otherwise you might as well have him stay here work on his fitness etc & get a tune out of him , there is absolutely no logic in letting him go anywhere if we do not benefit financially, therefore I do not think the negative comments regarding his loan on this thread ring true .
     
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    Get a bad influence away from other players
    Improve his skills and experience so we benefit next year
    Help him with mental health issues by getting him closer to family

    There's loads of reasons
     
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    I am not being funny but how do we know he is a bad influence & how do we know he has mental health issues ? I am under the impression he has been loaned out to get him game time & relieve our financial burden .
     
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    #35 Tykeored, Feb 14, 2022
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    Could it be that they were thinking of the old saying ’out of sight, out of mind’? If so how wrong they were :)
     
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    #36 RedVesp, Feb 14, 2022
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    All we can go on is what's put in front of us:

    He was signed as "fit and ready to go" and in 5 months he's played about 20 mins of football.

    He's obviously a decent footballer as it seems like plenty of clubs are willing to take a chance on him, so it's got to be an attitude thing. Managers probably think they'll be the one to get the best out of him...then they don't...
     
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    If they're paying just 5% of his wages then we're still making a saving by sending him out on loan.

    Given his contribution to date, and the limited likelihood of him adding further to it in the second half of the season, then the best course of action was to remove him from the playing squad, where there will no doubt be resentment that he's on one of the top wages for doing pretty much nothing and showing little to no desire to play for the club.

    I think the reaction from fans if he ever made in onto the pitch for a 3rd appearance would be very different too. The first couple still had the expectation of there being a decent player who'd suffered a lot of bad fortune. Since then, I think most of us had determined that the main problem appears to be one of a bad attitude, so I'd expect that he'd be in for a rough time if he played again.

    Of the two viable alternatives for him available to BFC during the transfer window (as there was zero prospect of him being sold), I think we've managed to find the least worst option via a loan, which is about as good as it gets for this sorry saga. He's going to be used as a benchmark for bad signings for years to come, so at least it's a name that won't be forgotten in a hurry.
     
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    If you change you're mind...
    I'm the first in line....:)
     
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    surely we have a case for voiding the contract for misrepresentation at the very least.
     
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