Minority Report v Watford

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  1. pompey_red

    pompey_red Well-Known Member

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    Football is 100% purely entertainment. All sport is.
     
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    Is it long ball or long pass? And if so what’s wrong with a long ball/pass?why make 3,4,5 passes when 1 will do? Up the reds!
     
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    That is not what Minority Report is about. Minority Report exists in order to try to explain why things happen in the way that they did. It is a layman's explanation of tactics. If you do not want to read about that sort of stuff, simply stop reading Minority Report. It is labelled clearly to allow those who want to read that sort of stuff to do so, and to identify it to those like yourself, who are not interested, so you can avoid it.
     
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    I totally agree and can see that Val is using this tactic as opposed to the overplaying at every opportunity.
     
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    Even you who analyse the game like you do can see why VI was so successful at Lask and why hopefully he’ll do the same here,I’m not complaining and think sometimes you can over analyse and lose the joy of a win and a good week at Oakwell.
     
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    Watford had 66% of the ball because they kept passing between defenders. Looking deeper into the statistics, their back five had 48% of their 66% possession. Quite often when they attempted to pass out of defence, they lost the ball. We made 29 interceptions in the game. 18 tackles. The press was absolutely critical. And we scored via its offensive nature. It nearly worked again later in the half, but Chaplin's shot wasn't as fabulous as Mowatt's.

    Do we play more direct? Yep, very much so. Because that goes hand in hand with the press. It's about second balls. About speed. We might not be blessed with players who have sheer pace, but all of them are snappy and quick to press. From front to back. I think we struggled to cope with £38,000,000 man Sarr a few times, naturally, but Watford played into our trap. It became their only route of attack which made it easier to defend. There was no surprise in their play. Of course, if they'd scored from one of the handful of times he beat his man to put a cross over, it's a different story. But it isn't, because he didn't.

    As an offensive tool, our press worked.

    After two games in this system, the 3-4-3 has worked. It literally cannot be argued.
     
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    Hallelujah
     
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    It was referred to as professional sport.
     
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    I clearly have to accept your view on things because of where you work and what you do. Furthermore, I have no argument about whether we should press or not. I am consistently a supporter of the press. My difference of opinion here is only about whether the press is an offensive weapon, or a defensive weapon. As for the argument about possession or the long ball. Well both should be used. It is just an argument over the degrees of use. It is true that if you use possession football too much, it can become predictable, but that is also true of the long ball tactic. The argument ought to be based around the style of play that best suits the available players. As I have said in this thread many times, if we had a player who was strong and mobile, or if we had a player who was very quick, then you could argue for the long ball, but all I saw was the ball hit high over the heads of the front 3, or the ball hit too hard so that it was out of play or in the goalkeeper's hands even before our front three could react.

    I'm sorry, but we are going to have to agree to differ on this one until further evidence proves one of us correct, because you clearly cannot see the point that I am making, and I suspect that your objectivity may be influenced by loyalty to your employer, which I am fine with by the way, and which is natural.
     
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    You don't have to accept anything because of where I work or what I do, and neither is anything I've posted in this thread influenced by that. It was merely a paragraph or two on yesterday's game buddy. Anyone who watched the game could have typed it and some have said as much themselves.
     
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    Is that how you analysed falling in love, getting married, the birth of your children?

    Football is passion, life, history and legacy to many people.

    I enjoy your analysis greatly to a point, but an analysis is still only an opinion based on subjective observation.

    Life is about colour, about joy, despair, the sense of unknown and the nagging sense of uncertainty that punctuates all of our common fears as we are propelled towards the great unknown.

    If we search incessantly for meaning in everything then life quickly becomes a chore and not the adventure that it should be.
     
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    Ar5e, handed to RR.
     
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    doesn’t matter, It’s entertainment same as a film or music. People might think it “actually matters” but it plainly doesn’t.
     
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    What actual qualifications do you have in relation to the professional game of football?
     
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    I have absolutely no qualifications in football analysis, as I point out regularly. Indeed I have described myself as a layman earlier in this thread. Hopefully, the regular readers of Minority Report do so not because they think they are reading the views of a football professional, but because they find my view on games entertaining. I claim nothing more than that.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying.
     
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    Well I can see I’m gonna have difficulty getting you to see things my way. So why don’t you just ask a professional footballer what he’d prefer, losing 7-5 every week and entertaining the crowd, or supporting his family and paying the mortgage. I would be astounded if you could find a single player to agree with you. Now Sky TV,,,, well that’s a different question.
     
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    There's logic missing there.

    It's easy to dismiss the arts as purely entertainment, or sport as unimportant.

    But these things exist because they can lift the spirit, transport us to other worlds, they create an emotional response that is vital to us as human beings.

    When the country was plunged into crisis this year; we relied on entertainment to keep us going and couldn't wait for the return of sport. Some politicians saw the jobs at risk in those industries as 'not viable' - because they're soulless idiots.
     
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    chuff me sideways you’ve tried to disagree with me by agreeing with me!

    You’ve just said “we relied on entertainment” too right we did because it’s entertainment we crave, to we entertain us. All tangible benefits..... Including those listed above are all classed as entertainment! The human soul needs it, we crave it, I never said it was unimportant, it’s exactly the opposite.

    some get entertainment making entertainment for others and are handsomely rewarded either in affection or cold hard cash, I love these clever fuc**rs I really do.
     
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    you will because you are wrong.

    If football didn’t exist would the world stop?

    You are describing it as a job (which it is to a very select few) however if no one did the job of “sport” and no one watched would the world stop? No, it wouldn’t. the world and humans would find other things to be entertained by.

    in your analogy every job in the world is just a function to make money. I don’t recall 50,000 people watching the mechanics repairing my car calling him a **** when he did his job wrong.
     

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