Meanwhile sneaking under the radar

I have seen predictions that the majority of farming sectors in the UK are unsustainable in the event of a no deal Brexit and the end of the farm subsidy payments. It was a while ago, but I think the only sector that had a realistic chance of survival was pig farming.

 

You are correct, we don't feed ourselves now, and haven't since the early 1800s. But I would be interested to know which foods you *think* cost more due to tariffs. Please list them and the tariff codes that apply so we can all share the knowledge.

 

Oh "BAT BUTTIE" BAM ALAM.

 

Nutty Nutkins.has clearly talked to his cattle farmer mate and now knows all there is about farming.

Let’s just say this - if farmers ......
Where subjected to world prices.
Paid taxes like other businesses eg business rates, inheritance taxes.
Paid for the pollution they cause - especially cleaning up pollution from farms that get into our water supplies.
Did not receive handouts (£3.5 BILLION) from British tax payers (each farmer receiving on average £35,000 per year for just owning land).

Then - there would be very little farming industry left in the U.K.
British farmers are a drain on the ordinary tax payers of the U.K.

 

What's the point of going through all of this brexit nonsense and then getting rid of our own industries because they cost too much... food from Europe is going to cost more now!

 

Exactly. People always reach for the fiddle when it comes to 'British farmers'. How about people just stop eating animals? Makes me laugh when people talk about 'organic meat' - yeh, let the chicken roam around for a bit before slitting its throat. There's nothing organic about murder. And people worrying about chlorinated chicken etc and concern for their own consumption, making out like they haven't got a choice in the matter of 'food satefy'. What about the chicken's choice? As humans, we need to take a long, hard look at ourselves. Have wet markets in Wuhan taught us nothing? 'Animal welfare' shouldn't mean give an animal a great life before sending it to the abattoir - as a nation of animal lovers we can do a lot better. Friends, not food.
Ps eating a 'plant-based' diet doesn't cause you to feel tired or lethargic or to die earlier than expected. This is a myth created by the meat industry.

 

I accept your arguments but we are omnivores. For me if an animal has led a life where it's been fed well, can act in it's natural way as much as possible and has freedom to roam, and is then killed quickly for meat there's no problem.

 

It makes your dinner less tasty though. I'd rather the animal have a better life before being killed but I don't look too much into it as I know it's never going to be perfect. I live my life like a god damn saint in most other respects so I'm allowing myself one weakness, as crappy an excuse as that is. I have one rule, if the animal was alive in front of me and I was asked if I wanted it killing so I could eat it, I would refuse. If it's already dead and in a supermarket then I'm eating it. I know there's the argument that if people stopped buying it, then it wouldn't be there yadda yadda but nobody's perfect.

 

Yes, we subsidise farmers. Do you know why? Because they produce food and without food we all die. And do you know what those subsidies do? They make food cheap. So, someone who earns a lot of money and lives alone pays more tax to subsidise food for poorer families. It's one of the few ways socialism still works. We don't produce enough food to feed the nation, not by a long chalk, but we were part of the European Union and we pooled our crops and that's where the subsidies came from. But we've got out of that. We'll not get those subsidies anymore and we'll not be part of the pooled food group and we're going to suffer, you stupid, barmy b.stard.

 

For me there's a big problem. Who says we're omnivores? This is propaganda built up over centuries. We dont need to eat other beings for survival, it's a load of rubbish. Saying we're omnivores is just something humans tell themselves to convince themselves it's necessary, natural and there's nothing wrong.

 

I didn’t go down the angle of animal welfare I spoke about the quality of the produce for consumers.

I would suggest having a look at American farm standards if you are worried about the welfare of animals because that’s a completely different subject and story altogether.

Organic food is not only better for the animal but it tastes significantly better.

 

Aren't our teeth an indication of that?

 

I disagree. But then taste is subjective.. my issue is with people getting in a tizz about food standards and chlorinated chicken without a second thought for true animal welfare I.e. letting the animal die a natural death.

 

I was going to post that but not as well put together.

Bravo Sir.

 

No it isn't. You can tell from our incisors and and tell from our requirements of B vitamins. And our from our genetic heritage. Vegetarianism is still relatively young and like all relatively young things comes out with stupid arguments.

 

Most animals die from being eaten by a predator. Really we should hunt for our food but we ve moved away from that obviously.

 

My comment wasnt a reaction to your post. It was a reaction to talking about 'animal welfare' without consideration for the animals. Also 'organic food being better for the animal's would mean the animal not being the food. There is no good outcome for the animal

 

I respect you Helen but that's just a silly comment

 

Elaborate?

 

No, it really isn't, but to argue otherwise is.