Marks and Spencer

I don’t know if I can now!

 

I'm musing out loud if you like. And I still can't see why a male would be able to claim discrimination if they were employed by a shop and not placed in the lingerie dept.

 

Hang on, she wants trans employees to not be able to ‘approach young women’. Not even what Helen wants of not working in the lingerie department but not be able to talk to any young women anywhere in the store?

 

To be fair to redhelen it's not an exclusively anti-trans thing, she's bigoted against anyone who has ever been in possession of a penis. I remember when she said that she'd be happy to reverse the burden of proof in rape cases, even if it meant that her son might get wrongly locked up - in her view that's acceptable collateral damage.

Swivel-eyed lunacy.

 

I dont think lingerie is mixed sex. It tends to be in the women's wear bit of nearly every shop I can think of. Admittedly I don't go clothes shopping a lot, but Primark,Matalan, M&S etc.

 

Well, catching up on this thread passed a good half an hour…

You don’t come out of this well Helen. You really don’t.

I’ve no motivation or desire to conclude your motives but I will point out that on points of legality regarding discrimination you are factually incorrect in a number of areas.

This whole story is a nonsense - a bigoted mother was outraged at the possibility of an M and S employee possibly being trans. They did nothing wrong, they weren’t fitting bras (not that that would actually even be wrong necessarily - but it is a point of fact that they were not fitting bras nor offering their services to do so); they merely offered assistance to a customer on the shop floor of a retail outlet exactly as they are paid and instructed to do.

The usual rhetoric has been spun by a right wing rag and its target audience has ran with it.

Drawing out the responses you’d expect from certain factions - I’d suggest you avoid X/Twitter - maybe not you Helen; you have some kindred spirits on there.

 

Don’t worry though she’s going to teach her son how to not be accused

 

Because why wouldn’t they be allowed to put clothing on a rail? It just makes no sense. What happens if a man is on the till when a woman wants to buy a bra or pair of pants? If you want to say not in the changing room then I understand that, but not on the shop floor within that entire department? That’s just completely unnecessary. Plenty of shops don’t even have separate full departments for underwear, would the men have to keep calling a female employee over to tidy up that section anytime the shelves got messed up? Are supermarkets to ban males from stocking the shelves with tampons?

 

Plot twist. I'm the male employee and to be honest I don't think the orange with big white polka dots bra would have suited you but I didn't want to say anything at the time. You definitely shouldn't have gone back and bought the brown one with blue polka dots, that one was ghastly.


I'm currently sat here hoping so badly that those weren't the right colours.

 

Do us a favour and find that thread. As I remember it we were discussing the poor conviction rates for rape. And I said something needs to change. And that somehow became I'd love for my son to be wrongly accused.
Sticking up for women's rights is not being anti men.
2/3 women a week die at the hands of their partners. That statistic has to change

 

I don't care what you think. You are wrong.

 

That's very apparent. And you think I am wrong.

 

No. I know you are wrong and I've demonstrated why you are wrong. Males have every right to buy lingerie and "women's" underwear and may prefer to be served by a male. Therefore it does not keep a GOR to ban male employees. That isn't an opinion it's a fact

 

Thank you Do you disagree with my point out of interest?

 

Yes, strongly.

 

Nobody disagrees that rape is a heinous crime.

Nobody else thinks that locking innocent people up to make the numbers up is the right solution though. That’s insanity.

 

Erm...




Your poor poor son

 

If he was able to prove the reason why was because he was a male then he could.

 

So you don't care that women don't get justice?And the numbers that get to trial are so low? But that somehow I'm " anti men" because it does bother me?