Marks and Spencer

Its dangerous ground though surely can't you see that if youre just adding your made to rhetoric to the story? No where in the complaint or any article did it say specifically they were in that department for bra fitting, yet you have repeatedly stated this was in fact the case and then avoided answering why this is.

 

I haven't said that.

 

Is it? Or are you inventing that assumption to justify your prejudice?

 

Corrected it for you

 

Have you never heard of wider issues?

 

You don't know what the employee was doing. They could have been the manager for the women's clothing section, walking to a till, going to the break room, or anything else. M&S staff have a KPI for approaching customers and helping them. They approached a customer and asked if they needed help. The customer - who, entirely coincidentally, is involved with a gender critical "charity" called Sex Matters - alleged that the employee was trans because they were over 6'2". Now, my sister is 6'3" and if someone alleged they were trans because they were tall, I would be having very stern words with them.

So, someone at M&S was doing their job and approached a customer as part of their job to see if they wanted any help, and the "customer" made a formal complaint and M&S apologised.

I might be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but I suspect that the woman found out a trans woman worked at that M&S and deliberately went to make a scene because they don't want a trans person to exist.

 

I don't need you to " correct" my posts thank you.

 

How very odd.

 

Youve at the very least heavily insinuated that is what they were in the department for.

This is an incredibly bad look for you if youre denying that considering the evidence is in this thread.

 

According to my Mrs.......you have to make an appointment at M&S to have a bra fitting, that appointment may be available on the same day, but they don't just let any random member of staff do them, they have specifically trained staff who have experience of tailoring and measuring. They may or may not be 6'2" tall.

 

@Scoff , surely if they weren't trans it would have been pointed out in the M& S reply?

 

Why.
M&S may feel it's no ones business?

 

Maybe they hold themselves to certain standards when it comes to discussing employee details?

 

I mentioned bra fitting in the first place because as I understood it, that's why they were In M& S. And they were approached in the lingerie dept.Which is what I put in my post.
And then later it was mentioned about male employees working in lingerie and I stated that I didn't see the need for that and that it could be off putting to the clientele.
Honestly, if we'd have had this chat in person it would have been clearer.
Once and for all I agree that the article did not say this employee was a bra fitter.

 

Because they have a duty of care to the employee. If they admit there is a trans employee at the store, the TERFs would have a field day and try to hound them out of their job, and if they don't admit there is a trans employee then the TERFs would say they were lying and harass the staff until they identified one.

 

Maybe

 

No, because hounding someone out for that is against the law However, they don't have to work in the lingerie dept.

 

There's a lot of made up rhetoric in other posts too.

 

Refusing to hire someone in the lingerie department due to their sex would be sex discrimination. As previously stated, both men and trans people legitimately shop in lingerie (or underwear as it's called to the majority of people) section so it wouldn't qualify for a genuine occupational requirement of females only.

 

Very interesting thread, and at times, a very 'intense' one. I dont know if I'm adding anything at all really but from what I've read I'd like to know what the employee did wrong!! I know I'm thick on lots of subjects but if the employee did nothing wrong why did M&S apologise? If this is the basis of the story then a) it shouldn't be a story in the first place and b) one has to question the complainant's motives and the possibility that she should be the one that should be apologising for bringing the matter up. Did she get paid by the newspaper? I dunno on all of that. Just seems a really petty non-story that's deliberately got people wound up. Perhaps that was the point..... Wind people up and deflect from other issues...