Marks and Spencer

I think it said alot of there things which I won't get into the post you liked. It's getting abit boring not sure post like this about lbgtq should be on here offer nothing positive and always end up with pile ons from the same posters.

 

If I ran a store I wouldn't put men in the lingerie dept or in bra fitting. Muslim women wouldn't feel comfortable to shop there for a start, thus I would lose sales. It's just not the same the other way around and I know most of the males on this board don't understand that.
Sex and gender are two different things. I can't change my sex but I'm not necessarily gender typical. I'd love to go back to the 80s when women had all lengths of hair, men wore make up, more " feminine " clothes etc.

 

I specifically remember last August when I was looking for strapless bras for holiday and a male worker was putting new ones out. It was funny because I felt like I was following him around as I kept going to the place where he’d just been. Even to the point that I went back out to get a different colour in one I liked and he’d moved on to organising those ones.

 

Good to know, neither did M&S.

 

You keep saying the person who the complaint was made against was fitting customer's bras. Can I ask why you keep doing that?

 

Ah but the important question is did you go back to pick up a second one of the same design in a different colour or did you go back to swap if for a different colour?

 

They were in the lingerie dept.
But I was following on from that to answer JamDrop s post about males being in the lingerie section at M&S in White Rose. And a proportion of those staff will do the bra fitting service.

 

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You've claimed it several times.

I'm just wondering why?

 

Because as a teenager I'd have wanted it to be a woman. When they fit it they touch your boobs.

 

But this isn't an issue of bra fittings

 

That's not what I'm asking you. I'm asking why you're claiming the person who the complaint was made against was fitting customer's bras?

 

As I said earlier. I'm not sure if she's actually thick or just pretending to be so that she can continue to post her lies and misinformation to further push her transphobic agenda. Either way it's disgraceful in my opinion and extremely harmful

But she likes a lot of people's posts so nothing will be said and she will be able to play the victim

 

But the article specifically says they did not fit bras. What are you not getting about that?

 

Would you have reacted so strongly if it was a garden variety bloke in the lingerie department offering directions (and not bra fittings)?

 

Having men in the lingerie dept at all.is unnecessary. Part of the job is being in the changing rooms, returning unwanted stock to shelves.

 

I've stated that in the follow up comments.

 

Because it doesn't suit the transphobic agenda being trotted about if that particular lie isn't repeated incessantly.

 

I'm not playing the victim, but I'm also not letting you walk all over me. I've stated my views, and the reasons why.
And I'll continue to do so.

 

So..

There has never been confirmation the employee was trans. The anonymous complainant claimed in the telegraph article that M&S acknowledged the employee "was not female" (notable that they didn't say biologically or at birth - a trans woman is still female by identity and that's protected by the same equality act that excludes trans women from single sex spaces.) Considering they provided nothing in writing to back up that claim and made the weird height comment - I would suggest they (and therefore the rest of us) have no idea if the employee is actually trans.

Assuming for a moment that they are trans, it is actually made clear in the article that they were neither a bra fitter or working specifically in the lingerie section but that they simply asked the customer if they need any help.

I can understand declining. I can understand leaving. I can understand being uncomfortable or upset by a trans person being in this section of the store. I can just about understand going full Karen and complaining to the employer despite it not being a female protected space and the employee being innocent of doing anything wrong... What I CANNOT understand however, is going ANONYMOUSLY to a right wing propaganda machine like the Telegraph to tell this extremely vague and one sided story primarily in the second person on behalf of a teenage girl who we know nothing about... And within that anonymous interview deliberately misgendering the (very possibly not trans) employee.

I mean I guess the anonymous part makes sense as she could be prosecuted under the equality act for that deliberate misgendering of a person who, due to the low number of trans people in this country, could be easily identified by readers of the article.and face direct discrimination or abuse because of it.

And at that I'm out of here. Be nice to each other.