Lia Thomas Transgender Swimmer.

Actually, i do know a woman who shags men

 

FINA the world swimming governing body has voted to stop transgender athletes from competing in Women's races if they have gone through any part of the male puberty process.

 

And rightly so.

 

Brilliant decision but shouldn't have taken so long to happen and all other sports must follow.

 

I don't have strong feelings on this because I don't know, definitively, what the right thing to do is, but I understand that decision and it seems sensible to me. Attitudes change and in a few years I may have completely changed my mind. I'm sure some people will already believe my moderate view is anything but and I'm out of touch. To that I would agree, I'm learning, I don't claim to know what's right.

 

I don't think a perfect solution exists for this particular issue. However I do believe it is paramount that womens sports are protected.

 

The science is not proven at the moment. And they, the transgender support groups. seem to be using the, if not proven. Let them compete.
Transgender men. I very much doubt would have an advantage in mens events. Unless using performance enhancing drugs. Which are obviously banned. ( Steroids ?) There are some transgender men that can perform better than some of their male counterparts, That's a given. And I'd struggle to see an issue.
As for transgender women. I'm a long way off being convinced they should be allowed to compete against women.
Scientists are still in disagreement with one another. So what chance have we got to make our minds change.
At the mo I would not celebrate a transgender woman's victory.
Mixed sports wouldn't come into it for me at all.
That's if there is no objection. I don't know of any.

 

Edit: thought better of my contribution to this debate. I don't understand the issue well enough to form an opinion I can defend so best to stay out of it.

 

I don’t know enough about it to comment. But there’s an inherent sexism in treating people differently as you suggest doing here.

 

Is it inherently sexist to have separate categories at all?

 

Not knowing enough. But not offering a view. It's not sexism as you portray. All I have done is say I'm not convinced of the science (as scientists disagree on the subject.) and until that is a given. I'll offer a view. What did you see in my post to suggest sexism.


Sexism
prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.
"sexism in language is an offensive reminder of the way the culture sees women"

 

you literally evaluated one sex differently to another. You thought one was ‘ok’ and one not simply because of the sex of the people involved.

 

that’s a whole other argument. Not something I have an opinion on either way. It would be sexist to have one problem: issue and treat ‘men’ and ‘women’ differently for no reason other than their sex. You could I think legitimately argue that biological sex should be a bar to either those born generically male or female participating in a sport for a sex they are not born into but to rest them differently would be sexism.

All this stuff is such culture war boreism. A concept of third sex is as old as humanity itself.

 

"The new eligibility policy for FINA competitions states that male-to-female transgender athletes are eligible to compete only if "they can establish to FINA's comfortable satisfaction that they have not experienced any part of male puberty beyond Tanner Stage 2 (of puberty) or before age 12, whichever is later.""

 

I didn't say one was ok and the other not. I said I'd struggle to see the issue re transgender men.
Based on the fact no or very few arguments are ever put the other way because of physical attributes. And let's be honest that's what scientists argue over. How many have achieved similar high achievements as transgender women. (Stood on the rostrum so to speak.)

 

Sports:

1. Men's competition.
2. Women's competition.
3. Trans (women to men's) competition.
4. Trans (men to women's) competition.
5. Everyone in one pot. on drugs ripped to the tits on whatever you can get down you.

There. fixed. I’m in favour of 5.

 

I may be ignorant here but for me it's part of the same debate. If sports are being separated by a Sex for a legitimate reason then someone choosing to change from a Man to a Women shouldn't negate that.
If a Man who identifies as a Women can enter Women's sports why can't all Men?
I appreciate that to a certain extent that point could be categorised as reduction to absurdity but it is the thick end of the Wedge that may be created.

 

Well Im sure Bruce (Caitlyn) Jenner would agree, that women in sport quite literally get fewer parts.

 

As it’s clear from this thread that lots of people don’t have an understanding of the issue and because of this, can’t form a fact based opinion, the only sensible way to clear things up must be a national referendum.