Led by the science

I am not saying they are the same thing

No there’s the temperature machines that initially tracks it

 

No need to assure me .

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8259103/How-South-Korea-way-agony.html

South Korea are so far ahead of us and we need to where they are.

 

Reinforces my point that mass testing can and will be done as part of tracking and containing along with social distancing .

 

you are getting it wrong -

blanket/mass testing and track/trace are two very different strategies.

Taking the Asda example - person who worked at cashpoint phones in sick this morning - got the virus - there is no way of tracking and testing those he/she came in contact with in the last few days.

Had Asda a policy of mass/blanket testing by taking everyone's temperature as they come to the store then those who showed signs of the virus would not be admitted and would be told to isolate. An effective strategy.

South Korea do the blanket testing.

 

But, well over 90% of us carry mobile phones. The phone companies know where we are (to the nearest cell tower at worst) and have a good idea of those who were in the vicinity of Asda while she was working. Text/Phone call - "Did you go in Asda Barnsley" between x and y on day - Yes/No. Test those that answer "Yes". Reduced it down from everyone to a few hundred.

Better still, we are mostly paying by card, so they know which cards used that woman's till and can contact them.

Its not beyond the wit of technology, but whether we have the will to allow the kind of surveillance required is a different matter.

 

Apparently, membership of SAGE is by invite from the CSA. I'm still trying to work out if he chooses the best scientists for the subject of the meeting, or those that agree with his assessment - which could be very dangerous.

Imagine a meeting on climate change, and the CSA invited 10 leading climate change sceptics (the only 10 in the UK) and used that meeting to give government the scientific advice that climate change doesn't exist.

 

I’m getting it wrong ?
This is from your initial post that I answered before getting into the mass testing argume

the debate of whether mass testing and tracing can be done came after in later posts and I still standby it can /has been done elsewhere .

 

But consider the logistics - hundreds of customers in Asda daily - would take days to access their details (not sure if banks/phone companies can pass on personal information??)
Once identified it would probably take days to test everyone by which time they would have passed on the virus.
Far more effective to test everyone's temperature as the enter the store and those with a high temp. not admitted.

 

But that’s mass testing .testing by using temperature machines or not is mass testing which is What I was implying .

 

It takes minutes, and the companies do it for the police in the event of an emergency - terrorist attack, etc. Although it would be a bigger scale with potentially every supermarket in the UK.

 

It shouldn't be too hard or slow to check the temp of anyone as they arrive off public transport into a town or city centre and send home anyone's who is too high. People who arrive in a vehicle would be harder but making their own way somewhere they are social distancing much better.

 

Hi UPTC
Just read your posts on your buried by roof fall.
That is one of the most frightening things of my time down the mine .
I was buried by a side fall ie coal at the side of me collapsing over my whilst on my knees .
It was mainly coal so was able to get out easy enough with coal being light etc .
I was full of cut and bruises some blue scars I still have to this day .
I have dug colleagues out of such situations as roof falls which were more common than people imagine and seen these colleagues shrug it off and carry on working .
Don’t know if we were more harder in those days or stupid tbh lol.
But even though it was coal and not the rock I still think about it to this day but at the time carried on as though it were normal .different times eh .

 

It would be better to check their temp before they got on the traveling public infection vectors wouldn't it? Otherwise everyone on the bus/train would be exposed too...

 

Scoff, it wont happen.

Yes, police can access personal date but do you think the banks would pass on details of their customers to supermarkets? - No government would pass legislation that allows supermarkets etc to access customers details.

Even if they did, consider the logistics of personally tracing and testing the hundreds of customers some who may live a distance form the supermarket.
By the time that's done how many more will be infected.

And what of the customers who pay cash?

 

That's true and a bus would be easy as they only have one entrance. With a train they would have to be modified so only one door opened to make sure everyone was checked. Public transport would have to run more regularly too. Sticking with one train an hour on the Penistone Line would not work at all, even though many who usually use it will probably avoid it for now and use their cars more.

 

It wouldn't be the supermarkets that were getting the details. Although, Tesco, Morrisons and Sainsbury's already know if you've been shopping and what you bought from your Clubcard/More/Nectar and could inform you that way. If the supermarket told PHE of a suspected case then they *could* trace the infections - and IIRC they are one of the bodies allowed access to your data even with GDPR.

The supermarkets are just acting in an advisory role by informing the relevant health authority of a potential source of infection. The same as they would with a potential case of salmonella poisoning in their cafe or contamination in their produce. The government body would do all the leg work.

Not saying they've got the manpower or will to do it, but they *could* do it if they did.

 

The problem for me is that we are being conned by the three (four) word strap line again. This time it isn't "Get Brexit done", it's "Led by the science". It's not led by the science if you decide what you want and then look for some science to support it. Whenever Cummings is in a meeting, he will have an agenda and he will do what is necessary to achieve his objective. Most of the cabinet are scared to death of offending him, including the PM, so what chance have a bunch of scientists.
How the hell did this guy get so much power in the first place?

 

He got so much power cos he (allegedly )got Brexit Through and claimed the strategy that got Boris elected .
The mans a genius at slogans and targeting according to some and are slavishly clinging onto to his popularity and tactics .
He’ll be cast out as soon as his usefulness is no More all politicians are ruthless in this but for now he’s the bees knees and is getting the run of the place.
Useless ministers have been appointed to be nodding dogs and the Tory big boys although some quietly agreeing whilst others taking little snipes in the background whilst a few openly hostile .
As I said Cummins is a pawn when he’s spent he’ll be dispatched and any weakness in Boris and the big boys will strike .
It’s no different in any other party or although usually even dissenters get a cabinet post because they’re up to the job and not just nodding dogs .

 

Cummings belongs to Matthew Elliott - a nasty piece of work that forms the Vote Leave/Trump cartel but is in the background with the Tufton Street gang (IEA, Taxpayers Alliance, etc) - Small government, low taxes, work the poor until they drop - and Bannon.

All the reports in the papers at the moment are the Tory big boys getting their kicks in first before the witch hunt starts - even Boris can't ignore over 40,000 extra deaths in a month with some sewage lapping around his feet. Expect Cummings and/or Hancock to be ousted in the next few weeks, while Gove (through The Times) sharpens his knives for his crack at Johnson.