Keir Starmer

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  1. RamTam

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    We don't want the millionaires who are only here because of tax haven status.

    What do we even gain from them being here?
     
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    I don’t see myself as judge and jury, but I hear you – if I sometimes come across that way, I’ll try to be more mindful. I enjoy debate, I don’t set out to shut down other views.

    The majority of my values are left-leaning, so of course I look for something better than the current setup – one that doesn’t keep protecting those at the very top while loading more and more of the burden onto everyone else.
     
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    Inflation is not sky high. It is above target and growth this month was due to flights and food inflation. Food inflation largely being impacted by intense wet periods and long drought like periods. Inflation is well below the levels of Truss's too long a term. The important metric is that wage inflation is outstripping it and has been for some time. Something that has been pointed out to you before but which you ignore while regurgitating the same soundbites you've picked up from your circles.

    Oh... and who is your favourite signing so far this transfer window? ;-)
     
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    I get the frustration, but the reality is that asylum costs work out to roughly £80 per person a year – a tiny fraction compared to the real pressures people are facing on energy bills, water rates, and rising grocery costs. That’s where the system is really hitting working families, not on supporting asylum seekers.
     
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    I suggest you have a look at Latest Fact Checks – Full Fact before posting dodgy statistics.
     
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    If some of those protesting actually got a job it would cost us a lot less per year
     
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    The younger generation are overwhelmingly right wing at the moment. Not the current voting age but young teenagers who would be 16 by the next election, especially males, are very much a fan of Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson and the like.
     
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    If you don't think the rise in N.I on businesses and base rate rise have contributed then I don't know. All supermarkets have made cut backs on staff, look at the rate of pubs shutting it's had a negative effect.

    And not sure mcgoldick is proving me wrong I was abit critical of him. I like the look of Kelly and Ogbeta. And the loans signing of Vickers and the keeper (even though when I first saw him v Burton in person he looked tiny for a keeper) have impressed me. What about you?

    Your mate never replied to my questions about the season probably too busy watching james o brien videos:D
     
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    Yes, very worrying.
     
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    Is that the same Andrew Tate that the Fagash Fuhrer said was a role model for young men :mad::mad:
     
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    Really?

    God help us then.
     
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    That’s the one.
     
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    This is mostly down to platforms like TikTok being filled with young influencers who are paid hefty sums to post alt right content
     
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    Absolutely, yes. There’s been many times when lowering the voting age would be an absolute given for Labour but now would be terrible for them (not that I think that should have any impact on who should be allowed to vote). If they do it they are basically gifting the election to Reform with Green likely to get a bit of a bump.
     
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    It’s basically because young kids are easily influenced and unlikely to critically evaluate things they see and like you say, there is a lot of right wing content out there at the moment being pushed on social media platforms.

    My dad, at the match, showed me an article with a really sensationalist, unrealistic headline about pensions and wanted to know what I thought. It was so obviously b0llocks I asked him where it was published and saw it was a random site from Portugal, not even a reputable Portuguese news source. I then searched Google for anything about it and other than that site there was nothing except a fact checker site saying it was not true. I explained that if it was real it would very likely be mentioned in other places, and compared it to when a celebrity is supposed to have died but no reputable source is talking about it and it ends up being a hoax. He was really surprised and clarified that when you see something online you’re supposed to check who wrote it. I thought that was obvious but I realised that when he was at school, the internet didn’t exist and any news published in the few newspapers would likely be at least partly true to be printed. He’s never been taught to fact check things masquerading as news online. He fully believed it because ‘they had a photo of Starmer though’. Like anyone couldn’t just find a picture of him to slap on an article. It’s like when people his age share random giveaways that are obviously fake or random shock stories that are clearly made up. It’s why Reform voters are more likely to be less educated (sorry but it is true based on polling). Kids are susceptible to the same things and so are more likely to fall for the right wing media posts that are in all of their online spaces.
     
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    How old is your dad?
     
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    Exactly this, my brother in law is exactly the same at 55 yrs old. He believes anything he reads without actually fact checking. He’s a very intelligent bloke with a very responsible job, but f*ck me, he reads and quotes some $hite from the internet. I make a point of fact checking it for him, but sadly he still believes the $hite he reads
     
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    That's not a very good call mate. The way to reach Reform voters is not to insult them. They'll just dig in if you do that. Its to address their concerns about immigration and cultural identity. The left could do this by pointing out the one-dimensional politics of Farage, his history of Brexit bollux and a better narrative of the fundamental reasons why working-class people are having tough lives. Unfortunately, our main current 'progressive' party parrots much the same line as Reform so many of these people are either emboldened or simply dont see any alternative. To imply they are all stupid though is not the way forward. Its as futile as calling all brexit backers stupid or racist. Does no good.
     
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    67. I would like to point out that he’s not a Reform fan!
     
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    this.
     
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