Boris is a fcukin idiot full stop. As about resigning soon, he should have never had a job like he has to resign from, he makes the British public look barm pots , I bet the rest of the world think we are as daft as this bent 9 bob note.
Sorry for being pedantic...Pompey Red said... '' I quote..and you can google this quite easily '' ...so I did , and his quote is not correct . I agree it certainly can be taken as that , as I'm sure it was intended , personally I think it was a stupid idea to put it on the bus , and that explains why no senior figure said it...or at least I certainly can't remember any senior figure from the Leave side actually saying it ...It would have been more sensible to not use the gross figure at all , the net figure is shocking enough , and say we pay X billion net in..lets use some of that to fund the NHS better . Having said that it was not as bad as George Osborne actually saying it will cost every family £4,300 ...and this is a quote from his devastatingly bad interview with Andrew Neil .The £4,300 figure AN...What people who are watching this programme want to know is what you are telling is a scare story or true. Now you prepared a longer term report as well about leaving. The key finding that you were very keen to promote is that by 2030 households would be £4,300 worse off. Here’s the poster, you even stood in front of the poster there, there’s your figure. But the Treasury report doesn’t say families would be £4,300 worse off does it? It’s a bogus and misleading figure. GO....Well that’s not the case, that is how much per household our GDP would shrink and if you look at … AN...No, no, it’s not shrinking, on either scenario in or out, the Treasury report showed substantial growth in our economy to 2030, not shrinking. GO...Hang on Andrew, the question on 23rd June is what does the world look like if we’re in the European Union or if we leave the European Union and quit it and families would be £4,300 a year worse off as a proportion … AN...No they wouldn’t, it doesn’t mention their income. GO...As a share of GDP. Well their incomes would be hit and, hold on, the wealth of the nation that provides the public services they depend on – leave that picture up because people need to know the real … AN...Chancellor, I am going to put what the Treasury Select Committee said about your £4,300 under that picture, that is not what the main Treasury analysis found says the Select Committee. The average impact on household disposable incomes would be considerably smaller than this number, neither government departments nor the Remain side should repeat this mistaken assertion. To persist with this claim would be to misrepresent the Treasury’s own work. Why are you misrepresenting your own department? GO...If you actually read the full paragraph in that report it says the Treasury accurately presented the numbers and that it is perfectly legitimate to talk about the impact on households as a proportion of GDP. AN...But they told you not to repeat this figure, it says don’t repeat it, it would be to misrepresent your own department’s work. GO...I’m sorry, you are selectively quoting from that report. AN...Not at all, that is what the Treasury Select Committee says. GOYou are selectively quoting from that report. What the report says … AN…is that your £4,300 figure is bogus. GO...Andrew, a) you are selectively quoting from that report. The report said, and I read it of course, that first of all the Treasury had accurately presented those figures. Second, it is absolutely right that people in this country understand it is not just their incomes but the value of the public services they receive and, by the way, this is exactly the sort of number we have heard from a whole host of international organisations. Just this week you have had … AN...No other organisation uses that figure. GO...Well they do, the OECD. AN...It hasn’t used £4,300. GO...I’m sorry, OECD uses GDP per household and comes out with a very similar number to that. AN...No, not very similar. For anyone interested to see the rest of George Osborne's exposure , it's on youtube .
Sorry mate but you're clutching at straws. Vote leave's key figures rode around in a great big business saying let's fund our NHS with the money sent to the EU. It was nonsense then and it's nonsense now. You cant defend them by saying they didnt actually say it. It was the key thrust of the campaign, along with stopping immigration. I'm not having a pop at the different reasons people voted out but to pretend that these weren't the two issues that won the referendum is pretty blinkered
There is no wriggle room for Boris or Gove. The leave campaign clearly campaigned promising the redistribution of £350 million quid a week to the NHS. They lied. On the morning of the result Farage admitted both that they had campaigned on this and that it had been a lie
Sorry btw, this comes across as needlessly harsh when it wasn't meant to be. Posted after lots of alcohol. It should say bus as well, not business!
I'm not clever enough to post a photo but here you go. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=3...J4d3PAhXQhRoKHV_NCmsQ_AUICCgB&biw=320&bih=460 6th picture. Johnson and a quote. We shouldn't call him Boris either actually because that sounds nice, friendly, and like he's a decent fella. He's not. Yours mr P Dantic.
Well spotted....I've certainly never seen that one before....perhaps that is the only time it was ever put like that and then withdrawn ?
the remainers are really clinging onto this 350million and the nhs pledge,mainly in the hope that sooner or later someone will be able to call the leave campaign null and void. we had plenty of discussions on here prior to the vote and i cant really remember anyone using this 'pledge'(and i use the term lightly) as a reason for their voting leave and neither can i remember anyone being hoodwinked into believing that all the cash would be redirected to the health service. both sides of the argument got dirty towards the end,much in the same way that any voting campaign does,but the way some of the remainers are hanging onto this subject is ridiculous,anyone would think that this 'pledge' was the only argument the leave campaign had. I know dozens of people who voted leave,nearly everyone of our customers did and i do not remember anyone going on about the nhs (other than people who had never contributed in taxes coming into the country and using it), everyone i know had made their minds up long before that fcukin bus ever appeared in the media,the media being the only place the vast majority ever clapped eyes on it.
The vote was the vote and we should leave the EU. Given that Johnsn is now in a position to campaign to deliver his promise of extra NHS funding he should ether for that or resign same for anyone else involved in the Leave NHS funding campaign.
you know that for sure then Marlon? have you ever been in A&E when pissheads are tying up valuable resources, medical and police, my missus has when she was nursing and says its disgusting.. Theres a vast difference between somebody having a couple of drinks and somebody totally pissed and being abusive to staff, other patients and causing damage. Why shouldn't they be made to contribute?
i'm no johnson fan,far from it,he's just a rich,over privaledged tw@t,but if we used that logic after every campaign thats run there'd be nobody left to govern,i remember clearly,tony blair promising us a referendum on europe,citing the tories as liars for renaging on their similar promise,he never went through with his pledge.
Whats that got to do with charging ? If people are breaking the law , being abusive , anti social then the full weight of the law should be applied . Charging is a Tory policy and will use any excuse to bring it in. How you use my argument in your analysis is typical toryite imo . Never once have I justified yobbish behaviour In A& E
not saying I necessarily disagree but couldn't those people argue that they have already contributed twice to the NHS through NI contributions and through the heavy taxation on alcohol? Again not necessarily my view as I have many friends who work within the NHS who encounter the problems of alcoholism regularly but I can see the argument. I was having a similar discussion with a couple of NHS workers the other day both doctors and they are against any charging for similar reasons to Marlon as to paraphrase they fear it could lead to getting obese people to pay or aneroxics or those who get skin cancer by not putting sun cream on or pregnat wonen etc They sseem to think it would suit the governments agenda of privatisation by stealth.
It's time to put pressure on politicians to tell the truth to go through with promises. To reject cynicism and the belief that it's ok to lie to get what you want. This was a clear lie so should be picked up and thrown at Boris and Gove and anyone else involved at every opportunity. Enough is enough.
Its a fair point and obviously would be a cause for debate. To be clear here I am totally for a free NHS , its not the alcoholics which is a kind of illness. The ones I was referring to were for example the aftermath of say stag do's where they have gone out and got deliberately pissed etc.
This might come as a shock to you Marlon, but people do have their own opinions and thoughts, life's not isn't all based round politics. Either way you exagerrated the OP's opinion I 'm saying I agree with him to a point.