Former UKIP chair

Wonder how many claiming job seekers allowance are actually seeking work. Wonder how many claiming sick are actually too sick to work. I think it’s these people she’s referring to, I’m all for it, it shouldn't be called benefits it should be called welfare because thats what it is. I’m sure that there are many that deserve help but I’m equally sure that there are many who dont.

 

I didnt omit it, I didnt know.

 

2.2m are students
2.3m are retired early
another ~1.4m are long-term sick, and a roughly similar number are looking after those full-time.

The others (~1.5m) are unemployed and looking for work (including those with offers waiting to start new jobs)

But if the jobs require training, then they can't be unskilled jobs.

 

Maybe you could get the opinions of those who are close to the ground on this?
Maybe you could listen to the experts rather than making up your own interpretation of the rules and relying on hearsay?

Maybe read all the reports on the deaths of people who aren’t getting benefit cos they’re not sick enough as well as looking at people who are defrauding the system. Maybe you could read up on the sanction regime and the stats that show how many people on UC (there’s been no new claims to JSA for years) have reduced benefit payments because they haven’t looked for work sufficiently to get the full amount.

I’m not expecting you to do any of this because it’s complex and you really only like a story that can be summed up in a single sentence.

 

It's the same news outlet, 5 weeks apart, reporting on practically the same policy.....one headline roundly condemns it as being economic suicide...the other says it's the best thing since sliced bread and we should all rejoice.

You claim not to know it was Tory policy but when given the evidence you fail to see (or acknowledge) how the media has manipulated your, and many more besides, view on not only this policy but the credibility of the leaders implementing it.

 

Afternoon Donny, been a while, hope I find you well ? I acknowledge that ‘benefits’ ( of what, not working ) is a topic you’re far more knowledgable in than I. And no I’ve neither the time nor inclination to research all the reports you’ve cited. On that you’re right as often you are. However, I do have my own experiences of dealing with, living amongst, trying to employ the work-shy to pull on. Not everyone claiming to be too ill to work or actively seeking employment is telling the truth. At least in that you surely agree with me.

 

Or perhaps I’m bright enough to understand that there are left wing papers, right wing papers and both will put whichever slant suits their agenda ?

 

Or perhaps you would rather ignore the evidence in front of you.

 

If I were to accept your point, do you not think that a few people "getting away with it" is a price worth paying to ensure that the genuinely needy are properly cared for?

 

"I can't be arsed to look up the actual evidence but I'm going to carry on arguing based on my own ingrained beliefs and prejudices."

The moron's charter - far too common in politics these days, where voters increasingly support parties, people and rhetoric rather than policy and evidence.

 

How convenient, The font if all political knowledge didn’t know something that would contradict his political ***** that he posts on here

 

The government estimates that 2.2% of benefit is overpaid through fraud and error (that includes internal and claimant error - not just fraud). A tiny amount compared to tax fraud that you have no issue with.
You appear to think we should treat everyone as if they're work-shy or fraudulent.

People already die because they can't get the help they need, but you seem to think that's not good enough and we should be tougher on them - are you proposing a mass cull? Do you ant to do it yourself? Maybe gas chambers - start with the foreigners?

 

Sorry Shenk but I don’t know what you’re upset with me for ? I don’t own,write or read the Express. Whats it to do with me if they report the same proposal in two different ways ?

 

Neither a voter nor a moron. I was always taught that when people resort to personal insults during debate its more a reflection of their lack of character than yours.

 

Another typically withering response from Donny Red. Glad to see you’ve remained consistent nip

 

I think for someone so passionate to identify scroungers off the state, a quick look at the facts before posting your one dimensional rhetoric would be useful.

Many of us on this thread have tried to look at the situation from a lot of angles, in terms of the effect of migrant labour on both the jobs market and also to UK businesses like care homes, hotels, restaurants, farming, etc & it is not a black and white issue as the discussion has gone on. You seem to think that things are really simple, which is not the case. I'd agree a £10 minimum wage would be hard to bear in some industries, it is achievable with the right levels of support I think, but in the current climate we are in I don't know if some sectors could cope. Some of us have some experience of these areas & your tabloid approach is just childish & uninformed. I wish instead of posting such bile you would do a little bit of research, or meet some people in the real world. I've no problem with people having different views to me. There are are several people that are pro Brexit I listen to a lot. You are not one of them, as your posts are completely uninformed & one dimensional. It is therefore understandable your views are hitting a brick wall of opposition. Maybe you like that. Maybe you don't care. Maybe you are a wind up merchant. Maybe you have other issues? I don't really care about that, but I hope for your own sake you take my advice & look a bit deeper into some of these things.

 

Who's upset ? Just pointing out that you can't /don't want to see the obvious way that propaganda is used to sway the electorate .

 

Typical response from you too. I see nothings changed in my absence:

Spout ********
Refuse to acknowledge evidence
Ad Hominem post
Rinse
Repeat

 

Do you think I live in a bubble or summat, do you not think I live and work in the real world ? Is that only exclusive to labour voting remainers who tell us with every certainty that this will happen and that will happen rather than giving new policies a chance ?