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  1. Gordon Owen

    Gordon Owen Well-Known Member

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    I think you know its not going to work out at £12 a game though don't you? and for a maximum of ten games, therefore it will have absolutely zero effect on ST sales.
     
  2. Gally

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    Up to 18 quid
     
  3. pon

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    How can you possibly think I was suggesting £12 per game for the flexi ticket? The discount should be proportionate to the number of games bought. For example if it was 12 games I'd expect half the discount that season ticket holders get and so on. It seems that some people are so opposed to anyone else getting a discount they leap on without putting their brains in gear.
     
  4. Gordon Owen

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    8 games - £160 - £20 a game
    6 games - £132 - £22 a game
    4 games - £96 - £24 a game

    If you offer 10 games you may as well pay a bit more and get a season ticket.
     
  5. pon

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    Not if you can only actually go to 10 games over the season.
     
  6. Gordon Owen

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    Then buy the 8 game flexi and 2 games pre-purchase, use your flexi for the higher cat games.
     
  7. PLOBBY

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    Sounds about right to me . I don't think there could be any complaints from either full season ticket holders or day ticket fans . It'll be interesting to see the take up .
     
  8. Gally

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    Suspect you aren't too far away with these prices
     
  9. Loko the Tyke

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    But what you're not considering is that after Christmas they'll potentially be another offer/bundle offer so some season ticket holders might think twice about investing the full £300 and go for a flexi ticket followed by a discounted offer. You'd be surprised how many season ticket holders only attend 14 or so games on average.

    By holding back until the first four or five home games are over they're protecting their main income stream, allowing the casual fan to attend one of those home games at a reasonable price in context to the rest of football, and then bringing in a flexi ticket. Perfect way to do it if you ask me.
     
  10. Loko the Tyke

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    You've just hit the nail on the head there. You don't know and therefore in our first season in the Championship isn't worth the risk.

    I know if it was my company I wouldn't risk it. As it stands fans haven't been priced out of home games when you take in to account inflation, improved standard of product, etc. and there's a discount ticket on the way it seems.

    Job well done by the club if you ask me.

    We're not Pizza Express. Nobody has a right to a discount. However this flexi approach allows us to fleece the clubs who are fleecing us (which I don't agree with but understand) and offer our own supporters good value matchday prices.
     
  11. pon

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    You clearly don't understand flexi tickets. There are usually various bundles which are valid for the entire season. If you use one up you can buy another. It isn't going to be a case of "attend any 5 games before Christmas".
     
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    FAO BFC;

    Scrap this idea now if this fair weather comes back to Oakwell.
     
  13. Loko the Tyke

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    And you clearly don't understand business based on some of the negativity and what appears to be lack of awareness that the club needs to protect it's income.

    A flexi ticket gets announced but there's nothing to stop the club trying to maximise support by offering another deal for back to back home games? For every fan like you that's begging for a flexi ticket there's another fan not wanting to stump up £100 in one go, but happy to pay £40 for Saturday/Tuesday games because they're off work and want to watch some football.

    I had a season ticket for three years and only attended a dozen home games a season. I know multiple others who do the same right now. If a flexi ticket was available from the first day of the season those fans would likely not buy a season ticket. That's the cold reality and something the club, this season especially, couldn't risk. Simple.
     
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    If so seems very reasonable and nothing that any fair person could complain about.
     
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    This season especially?

    I'm not having a dig at the club here because i haven't seen any negative comments from them or anything to suggest they won't do the ticket properly but out of all seasons in living memory this season is the ideal season where they CAN afford to **** up a bit. Theyve got made around £12,000,000 from the sales of two players
     
  16. SuperTyke

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    Any idea how many season ticket holders miss 9 games a season? There can't be that many can there? Plus you have to remember that a lot of those season ticket holders who miss games will give their ticket to a friend which is essentially lost income because that friend would have had to buy a ticket if not.



    In order to actually calculate the risk correctly you need to know a few things
    1. The amount of season ticket holders attending only 1 game, 2 games, 3 games etc.
    2. The amount of times throughout the season that season ticket holders in each of the above categories give tickets to friends.
    3. The amount of games that those freeloading friends would have paid to attend if they didn't have the option of a free ticket.
    4. The average spend within the stadium of everybody mentioned above.
    5. The amount of season ticket holders who miss 1 game, 2 games, 3 games etc who would take up the option of a flexible ticket if available at certain price brackets.

    Now as fans we have absolutely no idea of those figures but the club should have done some proper market research and collated those figures. Only then can they calculate the potential risk or gain
     
  17. Loko the Tyke

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    But we didn't have that cash in the bank when we started planning our ticket schemes did we? And we know how stretched our resources are in terms of employees. I just think there's a bit of a blinkered view of how much analysis, number crunching, and risk there is associated with just rolling out a new ticket scheme. And just because we've got money in the bank shouldn't mean we start being cavalier with our income streams surely? You behave as if that money isn't there in reality.

    Look, I understand fans who can't afford to, or even have the desire to, buy a season ticket wanting some form of flexi/bundle discount. That makes total sense. And some of the ideas put forward on here make just as much sense, but likewise do some of the reasons for not rushing this out from day one. As with all things on the BBS there's often a black and white stance on a subject rather than a rationale view that shows both sides of the debate.

    I think the club will get it right. But as mentioned before, we simply won't be able to make every customer/fan happy. No business ever does. There's always 'casualties' when it comes to offers and promotions, and as mentioned before we don't want to be the Pizza Express of football where nobody is ever paying the full price for anything.
     
  18. Gordon Owen

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    I'd imagine a very very very small minority of ST holders will only use half of their season ticket. A dozen in nearly 10,000 is a small minority.
     
  19. Loko the Tyke

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    Genuinely no idea. But I'm not lying when I say I've been in that situation myself and know half a dozen fans faced with a similar scenario. 9 games is probably stretching it though and more like 6/7.

    You could definitely plan any promo using questions like the ones above, and many more. I just think it's unrealistic to be demanding a new ticketing scheme when the prices haven't exactly sky rocketed. Football is too expensive, but in the scheme of things I don't believe BFC are and they've been given a rough ride for it and unfairly in my book.
     
  20. Farnham_Red

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    I think it will be larger than you imagine if you say very very very small minority. Lots of fans who live any distance from Barnsley cant attend midweek games so if we have a decent cup run or a move games for sky its soon easy to find only half the games are possible - add in those whose work patterns cause problems I would expect its several hundred fans who only get to around half the home games. I've had a ST for years but only get to around 10 home games each season and am definitely not alone. Personally I would renew again even if there was a sensible flexi ticket as there are other benefits -keep the same seat, guaranteed tickets for big games etc, but some wouldnt.
     

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