Fartage is not going to like this

....We learn to live............

 

When we learn to give....

 

You really do need to know what the word aggression means I think.

At the minute, all I'm doing is asking why people voted Reform. This isn't aggression. I want to know what policies attract people to voting Reform. This isn't aggression. I want to know why people vote for a party that is in favour of the policies I mentioned earlier. This isn't aggression either.

You keep mentioning aggression. Yet all I could see the other night was threatening language and behaviour to me from other posters. You could almost call that aggression I think

Edit: just seen your post regarding Bowles. So the aim of some of your colleagues was to give Labour/Tories a bloody nose? Fair enough. If that's the case, then vote Green, Lib Dem or Independent.

The answer is never, ever Reform.

 

You can't tell someone how to vote. That's not very democratic.

 

I was going to reply to your latter post, but the quoting reply was a bit wobbly.

I think there are multiple reasons why people won't admit to voting for Reform. Just like we had 'shy tories' and particularly those who voted Brexit and then enabled DePfeffel the liar.

Yet until results were known, and still not always thereafter, admission has been scarce. So the question is why? Fear of being challenged? Well the central notion of modern 'populism' seems to be a rekindling of 'free speech'... So surely challenge and opinion should be welcomed... So it can't be that. Being called racist? Well if debate were had, it would be easier to vanquish such an accusation.

But I think you touched on it in your other post. That in larger clusters and groups of self acknowledged reform voters, admission is rife. Which suggests they are happy to admit it to like minded people, but not to those who might challenge them, pose difficult questions and identify the real root of their sentiment.

Reform, as was Brexit Party, as was UKIP as was the BNP leans far right. The latter was racist hatred wrapped up as a party, it wasn't subtle, though it tried. Farage is of the same ilk as Griffin. There were reports at Dulwich College of goose stepping around campus and hissing in the ear of Jewish students mimicking gas chambers. He's let his veil slip multiple times and his aggressive attacks on female interviewers just add misogyny to his banner.

Now you could try the line of 'they are all the same'... But that's not true. Yes, politicians lie, and in some cases make claims that later don't pan out. But Farage, like Trump, assisted by 40 years of media backing, is waging a war against minorities and basic reason. His message since UKIP days has been fear of the migrant. Of foreigners. Xenophobia is in his core message. The irony. His wife is German. Which he seems to have no issue with.

Everybody knows this. They can try and deny it, but they know its true. So people are voting for a known xenophobe who for decades has been attacking anyone 'foreign'... Unless they are rich. Peddling lies and dismissing science under the guise of bloodying a nose or two.

If you vote for a known xenophobe who has given many examples down the years of explicit racism, you either condone his positions, or you are ignorant of his positions, or, you don't agree with his positions but are willing to sacrifice your values and vote for him anyway.

Perhaps that gives a nod as to why such people daren't admit their preferences.

 

True.

I can try to dicuss policies with other people in the hope that they don't then vote for a nasty party with numerous policies that will do untold damage to the working class and directly affect millions of people in a negative way.

But I agree, democracy is based on the freedom to vote how you choose. But with those freedoms comes huge responsibility and often dire consequences.

 

Don’t forget forcing everybody back into the office at great cost with no real benefit.

Geniuses.

They’ll be trying to implement tariffs next

 

Or yesterday's lie about the Indian Trade Agreement.

 

Which Jonathan Reynolds has done a brilliant job of explaining this morning. If Badenoch takes the silly line about preferential NI for Indian workers at PMQ's then she's going to look very ineffective when Keir explains to her how it works in the UK's interest, and brings great benefits.

 

The timing is impeccable though. We do a trade deal just as India starts military action against Pakistan and markets are temporarily frozen. It's like backing Constitution Hill the first time it fell.

Beyond Starmer's control.

 

You're spot on. Steve Reynolds did a fantastic job of explaining not only how the scheme worked, but, that we already had the same scheme in place with 50 other countries. Not only that, but our treasury collects UK workers contributions on secondment/transferred to India, which I suspect will be more than the opposite.

Sadly, Wilf Frost persisted with this line of it being damaging to British workers. And in the 'analysis' post interview, that was the top point they took, despite it being explained multiple times that it wasn't an issue.

You also have the issue of how our media will edit and portray that interview, and the minimal reach Reynolds' very good explanations will have.

I think its nailed on Badenoch will try and spin this at PMQs and the right wing media will misrepresent it across their pages.

 

Tony Blair remember weapons of mass destruction also guilty, you can't believe any of them.

 

Knowt to do with anybody else what political persuation they are, i'm sure all the people i mentioned earlier av had a reason to vote, thats His, Her, right, basically every person regardless of age, are Racists, in the eyes of the Labour Party, i'll mention this to them on Thursday night. Good post an a good read.

 

Told everybody on ere weeks ago the Worlds foooked.

 

Was

Was he though??..

 

Yep they all lie and u turn. Like the current one did to get in then gets in and it's u turns galore, broken promises and fails to deliver. Same with the ones before the next will be the same regardless of who it is. People don't like the saying there all the same. But they're very similar.

 

It’s nothing to do with not like saying they’re all the same, it’s simply that they are not all the same. No one was anywhere near as bent as Boris, no-one was as reckless with the economy like Liz Truss. I could go on and on but the 14 years prior to the last election brings up far too many examples to list. I keep saying we are less than 12 months in to Labour’s term in office, no one can deny there would be very difficult decisions to make following the mess they inherited. Remember the unnecessary years of Austerity blamed on the Previous Labour Govt? Many folk wore it saying give them chance to turn it around, we all know how (badly) that went for most. At least Labour are not ‘rewarding’ their rich friends whilst implementing unpopular policies. It’s not about being pro-Labour though, it’s about replying to the bleating of the Current and Former Tory Apologists, and the blindfolded Reform voters/ supporters

 

Only because our feeble interviewers allow him to evade the important questions.