Apologies I forgot to add I was referring to the first part. Not agreed by all the board for a change of agenda. I'm not aware of the exact number maybe you could enlighten everyone. If you are in the FAB. But imo most of those people didn't join to answer all questions . But to be a point of contact to take fans issues to the FAB and then onto the club. One or two have been accosted at games on minutes issues. Being called a waste of space. Arse lickers and such like. Why should they have to deal with those of the like. Answering questions they don't or should have to answer to. I'll leave it at that.
So you're suggesting a dissenting voice within a majority vote? That's a different accusation to the one you were originally making of the change of agenda not being agreed. I can't speak to anyone's motivation to be a part of the FAB, other than my own, and I don't attempt to. Your comment implies that you're reflecting the opinion of a majority of the members of the FAB, which I'd challenge the validity of. It certainly doesn't reflect my view. Sadly that's a part of being a representative of any of the supporters organisations associated with the club. No-one should have put up with it, but it only takes a cursory glance of this forum, or even this thread, to know that it's a fact of life. I read at least a comment per day to the effect that I'm part of "the clique", a club arse-licker, a lackey, etc and yet a simple review of my post history on the BBS would show that I'm far from being in agreement which many of the club's decisions. As I've stated previously, every position I've held on the Supporters Club, the Trust and the FAB has been an elected one, and everyone is free to put themselves forward for any role when these elections take place (in fact, I'd encourage it, as the more representation we can get, the better). Perhaps the reaction you speak of is the reason why many capable people prefer not to do so, along with the fact that many of the loudest and most vitriolic voices always seem to find some convenient excuse when invited to get involved (& for the avoidance of any doubt, this isn't a reference to you in case anyone chooses try to interpret it that way).
I don't post what I do lightly and spoke to several members of the FAB. In private via message and phone once the original thread emerged. You seem to take umbrage. I'm just pointing out it causes issues for others. You may not like it. But it's a fact. And unlike most ballots this was among the group. Of which i stand on. Who were invited by the club. Based on their skills and interest. As you are well aware. I'mho for the umpteenth time the inviting questions over the transfer window were not need. Only in the sense of the process. And that was answered properly. But the questions asked were outside that scope. It only needed the fact to say what I've been saying all along. And that is for why and what the group was set up for. If you are upset. In my defending some of the accusations. And that includes everyone on the board That flew around, Then shoot me.
What input does this group actually have? What have they been able to action? Do the club listen? Not having a go but having been involved in similar groups in the past they end up being talking shops and not really worthy of people's time if those they are trying to work with aren't receptive to change. There has been a fan survey set up in the last couple of weeks that I believe is separate to this group but had far more reach. In my opinion this group needs to be more responsive and accountable to supporters with the clubs support. Do they have a HQ or somewhere to base themselves on match days to speak with supporters and listen to concerns or any means of communication other than updates here?
I'm "taking umbrage" to you making unfounded accusations about the FAB. I'm in regular communication with all of the FAB board members, all of whom I know are all capable of speaking for themselves. You're implying superior knowledge and access to the FAB 'hive mind' than this, which is why I've challenged it. Stating "it's a fact" at the end of a sentence doesn't make things a fact.
I've said my piece. Take it how you wish. Maybe I'll not get an invite to the group. Which suits me fine. Cos ill have upset a few. I don't even know you btw. So how can I comment on you as a person personally. Imho it needs full agreement when going outside a remit.
An invite to which group? You're already fully aware as to how these positions are elected, and it doesn't involve an invitation. And, to put it bluntly, you've been representing yourself as having inside knowledge of the FAB throughout this entire exchange, particularly with your incorrect argument about the change of agenda not being agreed. By implication, you were including me within that viewpoint.
What can't you get into your head about what I thought about the agenda change. Its an opinion. Or wasn't I allowed to comment at the time. I went private as to not stir the pot. But you relentlessly seem to want to have a go at me personally. On my stance in the issue. It won't alter. I have no inside knowledge of the FAB. Other than when I questioned 55 and counting on here and privately. Gally via phone and asked a couple of others if they were concerned about what was put on the BBS. I got differing views. I have never asked anything or been told anything private or confidential. If you are looking for a scapegoat as in one of the minutes. As stuff was being leaked. You need to look elsewhere. I have always been open and honest about what I say. And all on my own volition. The only things I discuss are already out in the open. Just cos I have a totally different viewpoint to others is only open to question. As it happens I have no qualms about what I've said. On the issue. Maybe I will go to the next Advisory group meeting and explain. Inside knowledge my arse. It's already out in the open what I discuss. And btw. The advisory group was pre selected on invites as you well know. The advisory board were elected by that group. I'm fully aware. A previous post And unlike most ballots this was among the group. Of which i stand on. Who were invited by the club. Based on their skills and interest. As you are well aware.
https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/december/fan-group/ The club literally put an open invitation on their website inviting any supporter to get involved. It's an unusual way to pre-select people by invitation only.
My error I can only apologise on that one. Those if I remember rightly were selected from the list or invited, for example i asked if one of the disabled could be invited as he missed the link. Once the list was drawn up. And is now on the Board.
......and you can stay out of it young man with your poor attempt at wit and sarcasm. Your brother would have been severely embarrassed!!!
Think the club are making a mistake making Wilson player manager. Need to get someone experienced in and a proper clear out of the Anderson regime.
How does the election work? Who votes, nominates etc? Firstly i will say being in these kind of forums is a thankless task. I admire the people that commit time and effort and aim to improve things. There are many people who work hard trying their best behind the scenes to do the right thing. Thank you to those. There are also some who do it for the personal PR and to be ITK im sure but that shouldn’t distract from those in it for the right reasons. what can improve? A few general feedback comments to anyone in FAB. 1. Transparency. Just putting things in a folder for people to read isn't enough. It seems there is a cadence and process of engaging with the club but i see less proactivity in feeding back, giving headline info and sharing formally. 2. Clarity. We see a lot of noise, talk about who, when, process, etc but less about core topics. The important ones will be a running thread and there needs to be a narrative defined and followed up so people follow a storyline of progress not just here is todays discussion, todays question etc. 3. Result orientation. What is the objective, how is it measured and results determined? If its a talking shop then state that. If it aims to deliver something, make it clear what that is. Im unsure what the whole purpose is other than nice discussions. Im sure more momentum will be gained if people can see positive results and progress. 4. Engagement. How do FAB engage with the fans? Not just the club. I usually see ‘anyone got any questions’, ‘go to meetings for yourself’ kinds of chit chat around but what is the way that FAB trys to engage in 2 way discussions with fans in the capacity of FAB? HTH
