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It’s not whataboutery from me. I’m just pointing out that grooming gangs are regularly being dealt with. Hence the link I posted. The ones that don’t seem to make it into mainstream media. The ones the far right never bring up. The rampant white grooming gangs basically.

I’m not disputing a thing related to the well-documented ‘Asian’ grooming gangs. It’s a disgrace and by all accounts, even police were involved in some of the disgusting acts.

Black, white, brown. Muslim, Christian, catholic. Whoever and whatever engages in such behaviour ought to be hung by their testicles from very tall buildings (that’s not a serious suggestion, but you get my point).

 

This is properly mental.

 

Its obvious that there was not a Reform Ltd voter in the crowd

 

I've got to say, the government stance against the right wing hate mob is really disappointing. I think we've seen on this forum alone, that pandering to racists, the ignorant, the under educated just won't get you anywhere. They won't give you credit, they won't give you time and they won't give you their vote.

If we step back though. What should she say? Because you know if she comes out with any quote other than "I love my country and flag and I wave it with glee at every opportunity" the right wing media (which sadly has sullied itself into the reaches of the BBC and BBC news management) will rage against her through the 85-90% of the media outlets they own and impact perception accordingly.

I'd love her to tell them to grow up. And better that the union flag is in the wash. So she's flying the LGBTQIA+ flag instead while recharging her electric car and taking the knee. But that gets push back in media channels and online biased cesspits that will continue to pollute the minds of those with ulterior motive or little critical thinking.

If they tacked back to the centre on this aspect, they might get 4 years to win a few round again. But as has often been the case, centre and left of vote will fracture and I suspect we'll then have a coalition of whoever is runner up in the Tory tombola and whoever is leading UKIP Brexit Fascist party or whatever it is this week, in 4 years time.

It's an absolute mess. The worrying thing is calling out the mess isn't going to fix it. A world beyond reason.

 

I really don’t want to get into an argument about this, but I’ll say the following statements.

• Flags for the England Women’s Euros and VE day were not hung from motorway bridges or scrawled onto mini-roundabouts. When people should have been proud of English/British achievements there was no hint of vandalism.
• Nobody as far as I am aware has been asked to take down a flag on their own private property. Our (and other) Governments not supporting Palestine/Ukraine has led to an increase in asylum seekers coming to this country, not reduced it.
• Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants until they have had their asylum claim assessed and denied and they have escaped the system to live here unlawfully. The system that led the previous government having to buy a floating death trap to house them in and the horrific backlog in processing claims is the issue, not asylum seekers. If they could have their claims assessed within a week, and they were found not to qualify for asylum, then we could deport them much faster and not have to house them in hotels/at our expense.
• I don’t think anyone wants to stop using the flag of St George for sporting events, we (and by that I mean I) don’t want to see people using it to support racist and abhorrent behaviour and then hiding their true motives in conversations and then donning a balaclava and committing acts of hatred.

 

Just touching on point 3, when people are arriving in boats with no passports how on earth do they find out who they really are? Also where do they ship them off to if they don’t know there name or nationality?

 

What about Northern Ireland? I know the union flag excludes Wales except in that there is a bit more red in it (where's the dragon?) but if we're going to have a new flag, it should represent all of the 4 countries of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

 

A good question, that I personally don't know the answer to, however I assume that if they have arrived across the channel and cannot prove they have arrived legally seeking asylum, then they should be sent back to France as that was the last border they crossed.

 

Anything like these examples off the top of my bald head:

“The flag is a symbol many people feel strongly about, and I respect that. But for me, what really matters is how we live up to the values it represents: fairness, opportunity, and respect for everyone in this country. That’s what I’m focused on.”

“I don’t think patriotism is measured by how many flags you have in your garden. It’s about improving people’s lives, making communities stronger, and ensuring the country is something we can all feel proud of. That’s what I want to get on with.”

“People show pride in their country in lots of different ways. For me, it’s about working hard to make Britain a fairer, more prosperous place. That’s the kind of patriotism I believe people want from their politicians.”

The comms team at Labour are a disaster.

They’ve put something on social media today saying ‘Meet Zack Polanski’ with the ‘boob growth’ incident, linking to an article from The Sun. Not only is that the only ‘gotcha’ they have on Zack, it’s absolutely not going to cut through. The replies to it have battered them. My particular favourite was ‘Meet Peter Mandelson’ alongside photos of him with his friend Jeffrey Epstein.

Honestly, Labour are appalling, on many fronts.

 

I should imagine they are asked which country they came from. It will be easy to verify by the language they use, people who are trying to sort this problem out, which the Tory Party left will not have the same intellect as a 30p Lee Anderson or the racism of a Dick Tice, but people with integrity who will judge accordingly.

 

Very strange isn't it how the thousands of mundane run of the mill sexual and physical assaults carried out by white men against their partners gets basically zero attention from the media and the very rare ones alleged against an asylum seeker with brown skin is on all the front pages and web sites - not to mention social media.

 

So if they aren’t able to provide basic evidence then to me that says they’re illegal and not asylum seekers? I’m not being argumentative here btw but surely there can be an easier faster process than what’s been in place for the past 20 year

 

Sadly, what you've put, as fair as it seems, would be butchered and spun for the right wing circus. All designed to push anyone in power further and further right. They did it with the tories. The stance of their current leader and expected next leader are in the realm of the BNP. It wasn't always such. And not that long ago. Further right than I'd like, but certain nowhere near as fascist leaning as they are going.

I agree with comms, but it's easy if you're being attacked daily on multiple fronts to be entrenched and fight your immediate battle. I suspect they are drowning in polling that shows a hard right lean. Let's be fair. There are a lot of ex Labour voters with views that naturally align with Farage. It just took them a while to realise.

Grim times.

 

Government now talking about moving asylum seekers out of hotels, and into warehouses.

Yes. Warehousing human beings.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...asylum-yvette-cooper-warehouses-b2818433.html

 

I knew a young man who came here with no passport and no proof of who he was.

That’s because he was orphaned at 14 and his village burned down. He lived in the forests eating rats before he was picked up and forced into slavery and made to fight.

He ended up coming here. He was spat on in the street and told to go home to his own country. Which was a problem as it no longer existed and if he had tried to get anywhere near, they’d have killed him.

That young man got a job, learned English and married a local girl. They had a son. And that was me.

Think on.

 

You asked why I thought people were flying flags and I told you why I thought they were, I didn't say I agreed with them, I just offered my opinion about other peoples motives so I don't have any reason to refute your points, which I neither agree nor disagree with either.

 

Apparently a oercentage cannot verify their date of birth. Therefore the DWP normally jot down their d.o.b. as 1st January along with whichever year they say they were born.

 

It sounds like a simple thing to verify one's date of birth, but given that each country has its own system and documents, it's far from it. Even when my wife was just moving to France, she had to provide a long form birth certificate (they won't accept a short form / extract) and they usually insist that this and similar documents are translated into French by a certified and approved professional translator or, as we did, provided in an approved multi-language format (a Multilingual Standard Form or MSF). It was quite a palaver and took a few months to sort out (delays at the General Register Office) and that was just one small piece of the jigsaw to move to a neighbouring country, while still having access to all her documentation and the services of her country of birth. Imagine trying to do that when you've fled a war-torn country or persecution with just the clothes on your back.

 

Reform is proposing to chop them in half and count the rings.

 

That’s great and I’m really pleased for you, I imagine a tiny percentage have your background, my point being is that how on earth does any government fast track asylum seekers, immigrants when I would’ve though a high percentage arrive with naff all documents or the ones that get get unchallenged then disappear into thin air……..the whole system is a mess and it’s been getting worse for years under multiple governments.