Barugh Green

I do genuinely understand that many people are mightily fearful of the financial implication of all this but I feel that covid is still 95% the major issue right now and we need to get this right down as quickly as possible. This will not come down any time soon though with the amount of people out and about. Truly awful situation we find ourselves in.

 

Fearful? Anyone with any financial inclination is ******* terrified.

Work for a university... expect to be laid off
Work for a high street retail chain... expect to be laid off
Work for a high street coffee shop... expect to be laid off
Work for a pub... expect to be laid off
Work for a car showroom... expect to be laid off
Work in construction... expect to be laid off
Work for an estate agents... expect to be laid off.
Work in the supply chains for any of the above.., expect to be laid off.

Barring Our NHS job security has vanished through out 75% of jobs.


Housing market... going to stagnate and crash.
New car sales... going to stagnate and crash
Second hand car market ... prices will bottom out as the markets going to be flooded.
Got a nice pension... that’s going to crash as the investments your scheme is in... will bottom out.

Councils are already facing difficulties due to reduced rates being paid both commercially and residential and the money provided by the government has been spent/not materialised.

Had a payment holiday, got to discuss how you are going repay the monies plus the extra interest.

I understand your viewpoint with Covid 19 but it has to cease being 95% of the issue as you’ve no doubt previously seen by other posters the risk to life for the healthy under 50s is minimal.

The NHS is operating at no where near capacity, the nightingales are empty. Wards are empty.

Meanwhile, deaths from cancer are rising as treatment, scans and testing has been indefinitely postponed. There will a steep rise in deaths from this disease that’ll dwarf coved deaths. People who’ve never had Corona virus.

In the mass panic to focus on Corona by the NHS has lead to thousands of cancer patients and suspected cancer patients being ignored for treatment.

Why are we putting so much effort into one disease and ignoring one that will affect on average 50% of the population.

It seems cancer patients, patients with corany issues etc are collateral damage in the fight against Corona shunted to the back of the queue.

It’s Their NHS too.

 

Its definitely the major issue. For a multitude of reason. Not just the deaths its directly causing but the ones it will indirectly cause too.
The restrictions have had a effect or the death toll would be a lot higher.
I understand the fear of lifting some restrictions as it will inevitably mean people die who wouldn't if we stayed in a strict lockdown. It is as you rightly say a awful situation. But the Virus isn't going anywhere, you can't keep restrictions in place indefinitely.

 

Was listening to some of these stories on 5live last night. One guy late 30s young child with terminal cancer has had his life extending treatment cancelled. I was close to tears hearing him. The collateral damage from all this is going to be unimaginable. We are yet to see the full domino effect.
Should we accept more desths to save the economic depression we are bringing on?
I don't know, it's impossible choice. I suppose we make that choice every day just by living our lives, driving a car, getting on a plane, transmitting flu to the vulnerable.
Its grim, but the people making the decisions are basically just weighing numbers of human of lives. I don't know how you do that.

 

That's just not true, cancer patients are being treated. Look at the death rates, we are on 20 000 and that's not counting care honms. Worldwide there will be economic problems so we wont be at a disadvantage there. If the disease was allowed to run rampant there would also be huge economic problems. Yes the situation is **** but it wont last forever and the economy will recover.

 

Not all cancer patients are receiving treatment. Two of my family members have had theirs suspended directly as a result of this. Another has had heart surgery postponed.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52382303

 

I'm sorry to hear that. Obviously some has been postponed, but wherever possible treatment will go ahead, it will depend on circumstances.

 

https://scienceblog.cancerresearchu...virus-is-impacting-cancer-services-in-the-uk/

 

...sorry to interrupt, but does anyone know if there’s any chip shops open in the Barugh Green area??

Thank you. As you were....

 

A few are doing a delivery service. Or a shout through the window order system... try your local.

 

Thing is you end lockdown covid 19 runs rampant and you still cant do the surgeries as there are no available staff as they're all ill or worse.

 

I'm not suggesting that's what we do. But, as I've said from the beginning, if we treat this situation as one issue, Covid-19, as we have done so far, many, many more people will die. We need a strategy that looks at the whole. I'm not sure what that is, but I'm pretty sure it should be concentrating our efforts in protecting the vulnerable.

 

Nightingale hospital in Harrogate is a specialist covid-19 hospital that has enough empty beds in it to put the patients of the entire Barnsley hospital in it. Or to put every current hospitalised covid-19 patient in Yorkshire in it (apparently).

Everyone has praised how well China implemented the lockdown and stopped the spread. What people fail to identify is that China put ALL their covid-19 patients into their field hospital allowing the general hospitals to go about their business.

Why have we made a decision to sacrifice one group to save another when we have specialist covid-19 hospitals built at a huge cost with a potential for 13,000 beds? Makes absolutely no sense to me. If we used the specialist hospitals then we could treat other people too instead of this weird one or the other situation we (government) have put ourselves into.

 

There isn't the staff to run them.

 

Where are the staff coming from to run both though?

 

as I understand it they’ve built all these extra beds but the only way of staffing them is to get staff from other departments, the call for medical staff to return to the NHS wasn’t that successful strangely enough

 

Cancer patients, those with coronary etc are massively at risk (my wife is at severe risk) if they catch the virus hence a reticence to have any outpatient visit that is not absolutely essential. How do you know what the wards are like in NHS hospitals? Sources please.
Many healthy NHS staff have died as have many others under the age of 50 too.
I see a problem with posts like this as it seeks to minimise the extent of the crisis we are now in and that in turn leads to some people being less cautious.
I understand you need to work but it's wrong to suggest the virus is not universally bad for all of us.
#edit... Thank you for writing me and a few million people over the age of 50 off (collateral damage?) whilst purporting to be concerned about cancer/coronary care patients.

 

They must exist otherwise building them was a completely pointless and extremely expensive excercise wasn't it? If the plan was and is to fill our normal hospitals and then fill the nightingale hospitals doesn't that require the same staff as doing it the opposite way round?

I still think our armed forces have been vastly, vastly underused. The spread could be stopped a hell of a lot quicker if corporal Smith was doing Gladys's shopping instead of her. Are all armed forces medical staff being used in hospitals? I dont know the answer to that by the way.

 

I don't think you can expect the nhs to operate as usual and deal with a pandemic. Leaving aside the lack of ppe there just isnt the staff. Staff have been moved onto the covid wards from elsewhere.