Barugh Green

The government are not safe guarding everyone financially. If your employer says go back to work and you don't then you don't get paid. That's it. Those are the rules created by? The Government.

 

RIP Daz, you’ll be missed nip. X

 

The majority of people are being safeguarded. We also have banks etc offering mortgage/loan holidays. I've been on my arse through no fault of my own and been homeless (defrauded by partner and then made redundant 20 odd years ago) I used a credit card to pay the direct debits that i owed. I worked 2 jobs over 7 days a week to get myself back up and running and I've never looked back. I had very little if any help back then. People who live within their means should be able to exist for a couple of months with all the help currently available. They have managed to do this in other countries with limited support from their governments.
It appears that you are advocating a kind of herd immunity: will see how this pans out.
Still seeing over 800 deaths a day.

 

The mortgage holidays are for 3 months. And alot are not holidays but payment deferrals.
And most people now on these will be pushing towards the two month period.

Essentially a lot of people on these holidays are borrowing more than they owe as the interest is still accuring so the outstanding balance increases.

Come the end of June/July there are going to be a lot of difficult conversations to be had unless circumstances change drastically.

 

Just to be clear is your official stance that millions of people should quit their job and if necessary become homeless?

 

I'm not advocating anything I'm simply stating what the rules are. Just to be clear you want people to go agaisnt government advice and not go to work?

 

Some people have no choice but to live hand to mouth and have no credit cards. I'm glad you got sorted out but some people won't. It's a worrying time for a lot of people. Stay safe.

 

I know it's difficult.
I have family who live hand to mouth.
Perhaps one day i will live hand to mouth.
Perhaps i'll die from the virus or infect others that will die from the virus.
Disturbing times.

 

Bit of hyperbole there.
What's your real agenda here because it's clear you're happy for tens of thousands more people to die.

 

I think accusing someone of being "happy" for people to die is hyperbole and I hope it's not what you actually ment.

 

It's a awful situation all round. We can't keep the country closed until a vaccine is found it's just not a option. So of course opening things increases risk and it will need to be managed very sensibly.

 

Its to put a roof over my head. I have a job, I'm an employed person who relies on that employment to pay my mortgage. If I do as you suggest and refuse to work when told to as per my contract of employment, thus making myself unemployed, I lose my house.

I'm not sure why you're getting so aggressive about people pointing out that they cannot just refuse to work. I'm not sure why pointing that out means that I'm happy for thousands to die. I think that claim is disgusting

 

All this talk of exit strategies and none essential workers going back to work is breeding complacency. I live just off a busy road and the difference between now and a week ago is just wrong. Also the amount of foot traffic and people walking in groups. I've no doubts about a second spike, that's if we even start coming down from the level of infection and deaths that we have now. The big difference between us and china (if there figures are to believed) is when the Chinese say stay in doors, they 5hit themselves and stay the f**k in doors.

 

I'm sure that's not what Havana means. Being at the coalface as it were must be hard on anybody.

 

I'm not being aggressive this is a life or death issue: I am being emotive. If people are happy to go back to work or feel they have no option then that is up to them. It is up to the government to try to stop this happening though. Further safeguarding measures need to be put into place. I'm sure this will be consistently reviewed with also hopefully a strong instruction to lenders.
Perhaps you ought to take to the streets in protest like the trumpites have in America?

 

May I ask what you think I'm protesting against?
I've constantly said that imo employers should be forced to ensure strict social distancing measures and that any found in breach should be fined heavily. I called for ASOS to be closed because they weren't doing enough to protect their staff.
I've also said that I have strictly adhered to all the rules put in place. I've been to the shop once in the last and I've only walked during the last week in areas I know I can limit my exposure to people.
All I am saying is that if an employer tells an employee they are needed at work then that employee is required to go to work.

 

Havana has just lost a close friend and is experiencing the loss associated with losing someone to the virus first hand.
Understandably he doesn't want anyone else to experience this and is therefore advocating maintaining lock down to save lives.
Personally I'm of the mind that the government need to come up with what happens next, if only to give folk something to prepare for.

 

The government will be aware and it's been brought up at the briefings that we have to balance the measures agaisnt Covid agaisnt the economic disaster those measures are inflicting.
It's a unenviable task for sure, but how long can we stay in a lockdown? It's a case of finding a way to live with the virus as best we can or lockdown until we have the ability to mass produce a vaccine. That could be years, it could be never. It's just not viable.
Life and death issues arise every day. Covid19 is not the only one. The measures to counteract it are going to kill people. A balance has to be struck.

 

No I don't it's gross exaggeration on my part. Tens of thousands of people will die as a consequence though and that's not hyperbole.

 

Suggesting @SuperTyke will be happy about it is.