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I’d say that the Arctic monkeys are a rock band (albeit a very northern white version of that) and all rock music has its roots in black music. Also why I think the MOBOs are a bit myopic in their view of which genres to celebrate, but that’s a whole other issue.

IIRC the only genres of pop not rooted in black America are C&W and of course folk. Even there some influence could be argued.

 

I agree but it's quite obvious that the MOBOs are specifically recognising genres such as hip hop, grime, UK Drill, R&B, soul, reggae, jazz, gospel, and African music. They don't have white indie bands on and argue a loose connection to the delta blues, and rightly so.

Dreamboy seems to be saying that Glasto is an indie festival and should stay like that. In reality Glasto has always celebrated all music. I agree with him that music and the sub genres of music that brought about movements and counter-cultures has gone downhill, but that's a separate conversation. To say Glasto shouldn't have hip hop acts in the same way the MOBOs shouldn't have the Arctic Monkeys makes no sense. Glasto is a festival open to all music; the MOBOs are an awards show specifically designed to celebrate and recognise the genres listed above, not rock bands that might have listened to Leadbelly once and cite him as an 'influence', but music that is actively representing hip hop, rnb etc.

 

Have you ever been to Glastonbury?

 

Some people putting themselves forward for the 'Glasto better fan award' methinks. To be fair, Dreamboy doesn't need to have attended multiple Glastonburys, or any Glastonbury, to come to the conclusion that in his opinion the festival musically has gone downhill. There's plenty of coverage on tv, even 20 years ago there was, to formulate an opinion on the festival. I used to get genuinely excited to tune in and watch live or catch up on the highlights; that enthusiasm has dwindled for me over the years. And I've never been to Glastonbury. But people still love it and that's something Dreamboy doesn't really acknowledge. His call for the Eavis's to put out an apology is rather comical, I'm sure those who went got to see the artists that they wished to see and had a good time in the main.

 

Isn't that more due to you getting older and the bands you liked as a teenager in the 2000s are no longer as popular so the same level of interest isn't there?

Mid to late 90s Glasto would be my ideal time to watch but that's only because I'm 41 and don't listen to a huge amount of new music now, haven't grown up with the newer bands etc.

 

Yes they should definitely apologise from Taking a £60k wage and giving the rest to charity because you aren't happy with the 3 days of music you've watched on your TV.

You are one random mo fo I'll give you that.

 

900 acres wide, in excess of 50 stages of music and performing arts.

don’t call it glasto, don’t take a flag, don’t follow the crowd.

If you don’t think you’ll like something have a listen anyway, maybe go somewhere else…there’s literally hundreds of things going on (even on the telly channel there’s a fair choice)

Such a shame the crowd is so white however. I’m not sure what the answer is but with a fantastic diverse line up this never seems to translate to the audience

my own highlights from the i player:

Bob Vylan
Idles
Jarvis

Shame Dub War weren't on.

 

That had crossed my mind Titus, and it's a distinct possibility. I still get excited by music don't get me wrong, and I'm not in the 'no hip hop at Worthy Farm' camp. I thought when Jay Z headlined and came out with a guitar taking the **** out of Oasis in light of Noely Gs comments, it was one of the most rock n roll things ive ever seen. I also loved when Kanye headlined, and I do like Kendrick, ive got a couple of his records (I collect vinyl ). I also came across Koffee a couple of years ago when she did an acoustic thing at Glasto, she's great, never seen her before. And Little Simz. I take the comments about tv not even scratching the surface, but credit where it's due the BBC does give airtime to up and coming acts and gives them exposure, and Glasto should be praised for that.

 

I agree about the tv comments Marc, i was just trying to say perhaps Dreamboy is going on the lineups and the change in dynamic over the years.

I am the same as you in terms of preferring small stages, I have always preferred smaller, independent venues to the largely soulless arenas.

And in terms of those who went, like I said before I'm sure everyone had a good time. I know a couple of people that went (one goes every year) and they have had a great time I'm sure.

 

Got into baby feeding duties just as Kendrick started last night, so watching it now. Great so far

 

Had to turn Kendrick off, absolutely terrible. Loved Stormzy, JZ and didn’t mind Kanye in the past, but that was awful. Never been, but going on what I’ve seen over the years this year didn’t look that strong to me.

 

Don't disagree with you on much, mate, but that's ridiculous. Fella's got possibly the biggest back catalogue ever to work with - doesn't need to just wheel out the Beatles' hit singles!! At 80, and with everything he's given the world, he's entitled to get a few deep cuts away if he wants. Some of his recent solo stuff is amazing and makes the most of the frailty in his voice. I thought the set was sensational from start to finish. Would loved to have been there.

My only query is why Springsteen was allowed to play one of his own, but Grohl wasn't afforded that indulgence?

 

Some people just wanna hear The Best of The Beatles mate

 

Without wanting to argue, which is not my intention, I just thought you needed to look at the crowd reaction for the first 90 mins. Remember an artists job is to entertain and that first segment the crowd never moved.

I know people that were there who told me afterwards that the crowd were getting restless and in fact bored.

Sir Paul even mentioned it during one of his mini dialogues.

When you have such an extensive catalogue then use it. A set list is a journey. In my humble opinion he got the vibe and pace all wrong, until the last 30 minutes, which I agree woke the crowd up and looked like a Saturday night headline act.

 

Each to their own, I guess....

 

I agree with all that (see my other posts) apart from the last question. I think there's a much wider conversation about music. I think the digital download and the death of the album as an artform, and not properly paying artists for the work that they do (nice one Apple), thus having to rely on and concentrate their efforts on touring and merch, has desecrated the art of music as it was. Sure we all get older, but I'm not out of touch per se. I just don't get excited by acts like Sigrid and Years and Years, or seeing legacy acts like Diana Ross/Pet Shop Boys etc. I do get excited by people like Kanye because he still has something to say.

Music has been on the decline for 15 years and i can't put my finger on why. Where are the scenes? In the late 70s you had punk/ska, soul, 80s post-punk, nu-wave, Romantics, The Smiths(!), acid house, 90s hip hop, grunge, nu-metal, shoegaze, britpop, 00s indie. Whatever happened to the 2010s? What defines the 2020s? I'd argue people's attention spans are shot to pieces, artists focus on hits rather than albums, and there's no collective musical movements any more owing to a society hooked on social media and the internet which has infiltrated the independence of the culture. Where is the rebellion? The counter culture? That's my take on it anyway. I still love music, i still recognise good music is being made by valid artists. But i don't think that music has dwindled only in my mind because i got older, and that scenes are there but I'm just not a part of it (where are they?).

Yes Glasto is still going, yes there are thousands of acts, and people enjoy it, and good for them. But I think music and culture, and independent art and the celebration of it is, sadly, on the decline.