An interesting point from the Supreme Court case

Yeah a mis type. I hope the government do trump the Benn bill at the EU.

It would maybe entice MP's to accept the deal the government does put before them after negotiations with the EU and the Uk can leave with a deal afterall.

Otherwise it's deadlock.

 

Looks like we all now like the maybots deal.... and that’s what we’ll have to take. Why would the EU concede anything else?

 

It was never about a deal. Labour just wanted to try and bring down a government and prevent Brexit through the back door. Agreeing to Maybots deal out of sheer panic would compound this.

 

I've said before, and I realise I've been in a pretty small minority but I always thought May's deal was a reasonable compromise...in fact one of the commentators yesterday described it quite succinctly as a '52-48 kind of deal'....the problem was May's lack of engagement with mainly Labour ( until it was too late), but not only that, her own party were largely in the dark until it was presented as a done deal.
Had this been more open and cross party it may not have required the ERG votes....we'll never know now, but it would have been interesting to see what the result would have been if all sides would have allowed their MP's a free unwhipped vote on it.
For the Tories and DUP the backstop was always a problem, but had there been wider engagement this may have been addressed....there has been criticism in the Irish press that the EU has only engaged with the nationalist side in Ireland, largely ignoring the unionist voices many of which are outside the DUP, ( some may say less intransigent)and which according to the Belfast Telegraph have been trying to put forward solutions to ease both sides major concerns....one being that the UK could, without needing to rewrite treaties etc, make it an offence to attempt to export products/livestock etc that do not conform to the current EU standards...thereby adding weight in UK law to protect the EU's single market rules.
On the other side of the coin they have suggested a framework of third party mediation based on that used for the Good Friday agreement to look at the case for the UK to leave the backstop...apparently there are a number of joint UK/Ireland Committee's who function closely and collaboratively, that could be having an input but are currently sidelined due to the situation in Stormont.

 

No, he can't. Padfield 1968.

 

I can only say John Major has said the opposite...although I have no idea who is correct.

 

Good points, only one snag is that the DUP have all the Unionist seats in Ireland & Sinn Fein don't take up their seats in Parliament. This leaves very little room for negotiation. Both sides really should get back to Stormont, they are not helping the people of Northern Ireland one jot.

 

I'd side with John Major but he does sound like Mr Bean when you hear him speak.

 

Once more
... it’s the Tories that stopped May’s deal. They had a majority and didn’t need a single Labour vote.

It takes a special kind of ignorance to blame the opposition for opposing when it was the Party in powers votes that stopped the deal.

 

Can you repeat that I think some may have missed it.

 

Excellent point well made

 

Just post this here from a former leaver:

 

More vitriol. I wasn't stupid when I voted. I get the point about the Tories but that's what happens when you select a remainer and remainers cabinet to do leavers business. Theresa May should never have been Prime Minister. She's a remainer.

It's like trying to fc uk with a semi on whilst pissed it int gunna happen.

 

So what’s your story?
Have labour stopped us leaving as you initially posted, or have Leavers stopped the deal because they didn’t like it?
One or the other, just repeating boll0x from the internet in the hope of scoring points isn’t a discussion.

 

May is as much a Remainer as Corbyn is.
Politically they took a side in the referendum they never believed in, as a gamble for their political future.
May’s deal wasn’t a deal, it was an interim agreement to give us time to negotiate our future with the EU.

You’re not stupid for voting leave or remain, but asserting Labour are responsible for us not leaving and then when challenged chucking up unrelated views shows a lack of ability to have a sensible discussion. You’re mud slinging.

I’ve said it before; many Leavers voted that way because they find it handy to have someone to blame, and now they’re faced with constructing their own destiny, having realised they don’t even know what that is, they’re just looking for s new scapegoat; Remoaners, Judges, Labour, Corbyn, Juncker etc etc.

It’s time to grow up and own your decision, you wanted out; what do you want to do with it? It’s not up to remainers to sort it for you.

 

Does everyone realise that the whole Brexit mess is due to one political party, the Conservative and Unionist Party. Right from the beginning with the party's own infighting, the poorly worded referendum, the belief that a Tory PM could get a Brexit agreement on their own, the suspension of Parliament...even now the Tory PM saying he can get a deal done (and agreed next month)

The only reason I believe, that they are still in power, is that they are the MSM (or at least control a large majority of it) and have put the scaremongering of JC (and I don't mean Jesus Christ) at the very top of their agenda. I believe 90-95% of the people of the UK are better off with him as PM rather than any Tory, but especially a lying one (what you mean there are Tories that don't lie?)

 

It's only natural to feel conflicted after reading different views on Brexit and looking at reports on the news and social media.

I apologise for any offense caused Donny. You're right it is hard to construct a reasoned argument when my only knowledge is snippet based from various mediums.

Reading it back I hold my hands up and apologise once again for mud slinging.

 

Sarcasm; how droll.

Let’s start the timer till the next time you blame labour for us not leaving, to once more be reminded that the Tories did it all by themselves, for you to then slag off mays deal (as if that has any link to your assertion that it’s Labours fault)
Rinse and repeat.

 

It was a genuine apology. Nevermind.