Who wants these owners to spend their own money on BFC

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Do you want the owners to invest their own money in to BFC?

Poll closed Jan 23, 2022.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Dun

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

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    Certainly not ashamed of my comment, last season we had one of the best seasons in Barnsley fc history, 6 months later we are having a bad season and people are wanting protests, demonstrations and mass stay away from the ground. Noone knows the true facts of whats happening within the club and why certain decisions have been made, so based on speculation and not facts we are looking at a Blackpool style stand off. This could potentially damage our club for years. Naming those posters as examples against my comment is out of order and not who my comment was directed at all.
     
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    Last season we were locked out of Oakwell and happy to take whatever was on offer. The results went largely in our favour, but still there were rumblings of discontent about the style of play (including my own reservations). Not everyone was happy. If Oakwell had been open for business, fans would have been on the players' backs most games and the season would have been completely different.

    I dare say you're right that this season's football, results, and league position have led to some people sharpening their knives with added vigour. That doesn't mean they don't have a valid opinion. But bear in mind that we've had bad seasons before, so if supporters are so angry that they're creating Facebookgroups, etc., then surely you can see that this all feels a little different. There's more to it than a poor side and a looming relegation.

    Personally I'm not convinced that the protests, etc. will lead to anything positive, and I have no intention of signing up to such things, but again, that's down to personal preference. Individuals can do as they see fit. If I stay away next season, it will be my own decision.

    As to me naming specific posters. Your closing remark came across as a scattergun comment, aimed at anyone and everyone who chooses to stay away. You may not have intended it in that way, but that's the way it read. I merely chose 3 longtime supporters (the first 3 that came to mind) who l know are staying away despite years and years of support. There are many others I could have named.

    I do appreciate that you want the club to survive in the long term. But so does everyone else, even if you think their actions are misguided.
     
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    MDG Well-Known Member

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    What additional prize money are you referring to? I didn't think there was any such structure outside the Premier League where prize money goes up the higher you finish. I always thought in the football league finishing 1st in the championship gets the same as the team finishing bottom in terms of the money split?
     
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    "Barnsley had one of the five best sessons in their history - but there was not one offer for any player. If you look at developing and marketing the players, the value was zero"

    He then went onto to say that the style of play was not sustainable and mentioned a number of reasons why he believed it was only successful in the short term (5 subs, no fans etc).

    So whilst he didn't explicitly say that we've changed the style to be able to sell players, it certainly does read that way. It reads as though a successful season should be judged by number of bids and sales, rather than league position.
     
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    Redhelen Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. We've got rid of the press, and I thought that was supposed to be our identity.
     
  6. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I was asking the question as I didn’t know.

    Considering it’s only £100k for the League Cup Final (I tried to look it up) then I doubt there’s anything for the Playoff Final which surprises me. I guess there’s a huge gate receipt though depending on how the split works.

    That could easily be worth £1.2 million (35,000 tickets at £35 on average)
     
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  7. Loko the Tyke

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    I’ve no love for the decisions made this season but I didn’t interpret it quite like that.

    Nothing in that says to me that we’re happy to sacrifice league position or the division we play in to sell players. That’s people connecting dots on their own. It’s a misguided thing to say off the cuff regardless, but to me it’s an interesting point if true, that you can be so successful and not have any interest in your players. I believe that was COVID induced rather than the style, and I'm sure there was interest just no actual offers (in a Summer where hardly any clubs spent significant money). Maybe our asking price put them off?

    He also said that we wanted to control games more, with the ball, but didn’t say anything about not wanting to win.

    If Andy Giddings had followed up and said ‘are you suggesting that you’d accept failure on the pitch providing it meets the objective of increasing player value’ I don’t think the answer would have been ‘yes’. But we’ll never truly know because that follow up never came.
     
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    PL only league that the higher you finish more you earn
     
  9. Loko the Tyke

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    I did not know that. So no monetary value in finishing 8th vs. 18th in the Championship?
     
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    Conway definitely seems to spread himself too thinly, which is quite an achievement seeing as there's a lot of him. I'm looking into the situation at his other clubs at the moment and last night I was reading how he has got involved with other consortiums who are buying football clubs in an advisory capacity. He does seem to be highly regarded in those circles.
     
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    Each to their own.

    My interpretation is obviously different to yours, but to mention a chance in playing style, glossing over a hugely successful season before bemoaning the lack of player sales reads that way to me.

    Suppose it's something for him to clarify at the Q and A.

    Now where's that form....
     
  12. Loko the Tyke

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    Don’t disagree mate. Can see why people are thinking that but do think an extra dot has been connected vs. what was actually said.

    But if this is all true, which I’m not sure it strictly is, then you’d be concerned if you owned a football club that relied on player trading to survive without making the Premier League and nobody came for your players. Despite finishing 5th in the league. It would definitely set the alarm bells off.

    But considering scouts were regularly at Oakwell I just think the money wasn’t around due to COVID for anyone to make an offer that was worth us listening to. If I’m right, then the club deserve some credit for keeping the wolves from the door so to speak.
     
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    I'm fearful that we as fans could make our situation worse by starting these campaigns. There does seem to be a "teddy-out-of-cot" propensity with at least one of our owners and there's the risk we could push them into doing something that could have been avoided. It may already be too late. The one hope I have is that they won't want anything too negative to go onto their CV, when they are still trying to acquire other clubs.
     
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    The snag is Warnock is seriously expensive.
     
  15. lk3

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    No, it’s due to ensuring equal rights from TV, the theory being when it came in a bigger club would more likely finish higher and would create a bit of a monopoly so to speak.
     
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    We aren’t just having a ‘bad season’ though are we? To be honest, I’m beginning to think you are just a WUM.
     
  17. Dun

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    No need mate, I have my opinion, Im fully entitled to it. Facts were last season one of the best, this half of the season terrible.
    Ill carry on supporting my team and lets hope that protests, toxic atmosphere, abuse and fans staying away sorts it all out for us all. If it doesnt all involved have added to destroying the team ive supported for over 40 years because how anyone can think that way can possibly improve things is beyond me.
     
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    I'll put my 55 years support on the table. I have never abused anyone in my life (although Thatcher, Farage, Trump and Johnson have prompted a fair amount of bile). My protest will simply involve withdrawing my support, financial and otherwise, unless and until there is major change at the club. By this I mean that the current owners start behaving as if they care about the club, the town, the club's employees and its supporters. They need to radically alter their business model that is not only clearly unsuccessful, but actually renders support for the club pointless, in that any level of success will simply be followed by the inevitable sale of any assets that may have brought it about in the first place. And then the cycle repeats. In other words, nothing will be built over the medium to long term. Soul destroying. Or, they move on and people who actually care about the club take over. As far as I'm concerned, if neither of these things happen then, quite frankly, I'll sadly say goodbye to an institution that has been a major part of mine and my family's life for decades.
     
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  19. Dun

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

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    I'll keep going and hopefully a few more will aswell then maybe you might still have something to come back to.

    If our young players start winning does that mean the owners care again?
     
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    I think you would need to ask yourself if they ever cared. Certainly not in the way you or I do. But look, if you genuinely believe the things you are posting then good luck to you. I sincerely hope that in another 15 years you are not as disillusioned as I am now.
     
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