Vehicle emissions.

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  1. StatisTYKE

    StatisTYKE Well-Known Member

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    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...re-particles-increasing-concern-air-pollution

    Research showing how pollution from vehicles break down….

    10% from van and HGV exhaust emissions

    15% from car exhaust emissions

    24%. From abrasion of roads and their paint markings

    52% from tyre and brake wear particles.

    So, if we went totally electric it wouldn’t tackle the source of most pollution. Extending the ULEZ zone in London will make only the very slightest of difference to pollution but will be a massive bonus to those raking in the dosh by charging £12.50 a day to folk who can’t afford to replace their old vehicles.
     
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    Air pollution as referenced in this article and greenhouse gas which causes climate change are two different things.

    Cutting petrol and diesel emissions would be a huge step in the right direction.
     
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    Agreed. But Kahn's argument for the ULEZ zone centres not on climate change but on people's health due to 'breathing in the pollution from vehicles.'
     
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    What percentage do these make up of all emissions? I'm sure I heard that cows produce a lot of methane?
     
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    Don't forget that the expansion of the ULEZ was also forced onto Khan by the government as part of the TfL bailout. So London has to proceed with it, while MPs from the current government use it as a stick to beat Labour with...
     
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    I just can't believe the government would do anything like that....
     
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    will be interesting to see what the next couple of years bring on EV. I switched last September and tbh it's been a good move for me personally. lease on the car is a fraction more than my previous car, but the savings on diesel is phenomenal. I've gone from ~20p/mile diesel, to ~3p/mile electric. saving about £2500/year. 'bad news' stories have been popping up in the media recently, but IMO many of them are borne out of poor research. people being 'shocked' about public charging for example, and not realising they needed a home charger for it to make sense. anyone doing just basic research on EV, would have known this before ditching their old car.
     
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    I believe the UK is responsible for 2% of global carbon emissions. The people who will have the biggest influence on climate change are in Asia and Latin America. Poor people who are suffering from malnutrition because they are so poor. I would guess they don't care at all about climate change. How many children live in poverty in India?
    So cutting our emissions isn't really or more accurately shouldn't be the goal. What we can do as a country is try and make scientific and technology advances that create clean energy. But this energy also needs to be cheap.
     
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    I don’t agree with you, carbon emissions have to be looked at on a per person basis, not per country, that’s arbitrary. On that basis small countries like Dubai can just crack on emitting greenhouses gases. If you look at emissions on a person basis it’s the rich countries headed by the US, Middle Eastern countries and us that use most. We have to change what we do as one of the leading produces of greenhouse gas per capita.
     
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    Electric car sales have literally tanked over the last few months.
    It’s not a good sign
     
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    Per capita makes no difference to the planet though. So while I understand your point we can get them as low as we like but if heavily populated poor countries don't change then it will make little difference. If you are so poor you and your family are suffering from malnutrition I guarantee you don't care about climate issues.
     
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    If you take your cow into Sheffield ulez, you must use the pig lanes.
     
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    Guess it depends why. Lead times might be a big factor, which is arguably different to saying people don’t rate em.
     
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    Dropped after last budget and second hand ones have dropped by quite a bit.
    In the trade they believe it to be more about the tax efficiency being altered as prior to that they were steadily growing.
     
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    I know a few people who bought them and have now got rid, saying that journeys get too stressful - nowhere near the range advertised and lack of charging points (impossible to have your own where we live, can’t park near the house more often than not).
     
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    Yeah this is the kind of thing I mean. Surely people research range and public charging access before getting one? There’s no way I’d get an EV if I was heavily reliant on public charging.
     
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    You can’t help some people, you’d think looking at that would be first thing you would do.
    Reminds me of article in local rag about a guy having to have his EV recovered as it ran out.
    When you read the article it turned out he had drove from Oxford (to pick it up) and was just outside Skeggy.
    You’ll know why that’s laughable as the amount of warnings you get about getting low etc.
     
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    Most vehicular emissions are caused by the manufacturing process.. :eek:
     
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    StatisTYKE Well-Known Member

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    People don’t think too much or they act on stuff seen in ads.

    Stuff seen in ads: this car looks great and it helps the planet. Great but tells you nowt.

    Small print: does 250 miles on one charge. Great but not true as folk find out.

    Charging points everywhere: not true as folk find out.

    The change to EV is massive. Would have to be backed by the Government. Charging points would have to be as common and accessible petrol stations and your own charging points as common as your water or gas or leccy supply.
     
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    Good point. I've kept my car for 13 years.In that time I could have changed it at least 4 times. Now I have to change it due to the Ulez zone even though I'd have run it for at least another 5 years.
     
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