The full decision has been released - https://www.efl.com/siteassets/image/201920/1920-judgements/wigan-athletic-v-efl.pdf No idea why they spunked £500k on that, it was clear if you read and understood the regulations (which seems to exclude all members of that Wigan messageboard) that it was going to fail - http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/wigans-argument.293798
I have already had a quick scan of this and failed to find any reference to what our input into the appeal was, other than a vague reference to a written submission by Dane Murphy.
We filed a submission drafted by a barrister (presumably arguing why the deduction should stand legally) and a witness statement from Dane Murphy. The WS would have contained a statement of relevant facts rather than argument - I am not really sure what he might have said, perhaps a statement on how the loss of income from relegation would adversely affect the club if the appeal succeeded.
I don't think there's anything scummy about it - it's standard practice in litigation to make an application for costs and it's in the club's interests to do so.
I didn't say it was worth a punt or that my advice would be to pursue it, just that it would be potentially justifiable on the numbers at 20/1 odds if they payoff was greater than 20x the cost.
Nothing in the report about what Barnsley submitted, so can't see how Barnsley's involvement would have any influence. Wouldn't be surprised if all that was submitted was a reminder that as things stood, Barnsley weren't in the relegation zone and maybe some details of financial implications and how the club has dealt with the season suspension. Not really much they can say about Wigan's circumstances. Spells out that the reason they went into admin is because the owner pulled the plug, and once that happened, there was no alternative. Maybe there would've been an alternative if the Robinson deal had gone through in Jan, or if they hadn't bought Moore, Williams, Robinson, Lowe etc...
So now Wigan fans hate us even more because we asked for them to pay our costs Can understand that part to be fair But they still don't realise it was their own football club that did this aided by an inept EFL We were just protecting our own interests like they were I'd love for someone on the Wigan side to say they're sorry that the 25p in the pound group may have to close down too, but don't give a toss about them, and it's their own small business owners that may go under too!
"It seems to be set in stone now that if you go in admin that is definitely a 12 pt deduction". 16 years of points deductions seem to have escaped this Wigan melt until now.
done their best to run the Club in an efficient and responsible way- part of the Introduction and ref to the “English directors” Also say it’s an expectation for owners to make up the shortfall in Championship. Is it this sort of attitude that is everything wrong in football?
The scale of the shortfall between income and expenditure at a club that was in the Premier League for 8 or 9 seasons, but had also been in League 1 on a couple of occasions since is eye watering. And as @lk311 asks, it is this that is killing the game and slowly killing many of its clubs. "Expecting" any owner to plug a financial gap of that magnitude is a dangerous game, and is the risk that many supporters at many clubs want in terms of chasing success but the risk of an owner pulling the plug is rarely considered. I'll have to offer a concession to our owners, my frustration has definitely softened since the Wigan announcement, which highlights the costs of achieving very little in football terms. Their transactions on player transfers appear fairly balanced, but wages and other costs are crippling without external funding by the look of it. I can only think back to those occasions where we apparently had "interested parties" in years gone by that never materialised. I'm paraphrasing Patrick Cryne, but I recall him saying something along the lines of selling not just for the right price but also to the right owner. I've said in other posts that our owners should, rightly, be questioned on decisions made but I've never felt any lack of integrity in them. Perhaps the scale of risk they've taken is too low to date, but that's purely my opinion. And I'll be man enough to offer an apology to them, the frustration of our on the pitch performances did manifest itself in a line of questioning from me about content from Conway in a KV Oostende video about Hourihane, the details stated weren't entirely accurate and at the time I felt it was blatant innuendo, now time has passed and having watched it again, I can see how it relates to the model they run the club with. Although I still think details should be accurate. But for Barnsley, and other provincial clubs, what does the future hold? Not entirely sure myself, just today we have seen transfers involving Championship clubs carrying daft fees, probably daft wages too. I think we are going to have to be patient for several years, and whilst I don't wish ill of any other clubs supporters, I'd like to see quite a few get cornered by their costs and owners. Some inevitably will, some may see the sense and act of their own accord, but having read the Wigan details, I'm more assured of our own stability than ever. Would still like us to rebalance our football team importance a little more though, and getting Ludewig for another year is a big step in that direction.
It’s not standard practice for a party to seek its costs where it is not a party to the proceedings. The usual position in that scenario is that the non party bears its own costs.
I suspect as long as it is the 'likes' of Wigan, Bury etc that are affected it will continue unabated, I hope Im wrong but I suspect it will take a 'big' player to make them sit up and take action.
I imagine it’s because we got drawn into this due to Wigan appealing the decision. Which let’s be honest was frivolous and pointless.
And from my layman's reading they made the call that we were not party, and so not eligible. But I guess it would have been negligent not to put in the claim, in case they'd taken the opposing view - the fact that they referenced the decision suggests that there was one to be made.
