The problem with the Labour Party

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  1. Gravy Chips

    Gravy Chips Well-Known Member

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    Another politics post, sorry fellers

    The problem with Labour is they have to try to appeal to two sets of completely different people on the social axis.

    Group 1:

    ‘The Red Wall’. White, older working class northern voters who lean authoritarian socially but left wing economically. “I love trade unions but dunt like too many foreigners”

    Group 2:

    Millennials and Gen Z. Left wing economically, but much more liberal socially. “I love trade unions, but also multiculturalism”

    The two groups are radically different but are stuck under the same party, because splitting Labour under FPTP would mean permanent Tory rule.

    How do you fix the situation?
     
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    StatisTYKE Well-Known Member

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    Appeal to common sense
     
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    Who's common sense. Once upon a time it was the common sense of the day to burn witches at the stake.
     
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    Have they stopped doing that ?
     
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    StatisTYKE Well-Known Member

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    Obviously, as we've on a bit, not the common sense of someone who lived in the middle ages or as you put it 'once upon a time.'
     
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    I’d go with declaring now the formation of a centre left coalition (basically all parties other than Tories/ UKIp and the DUP) alongside a commitment to
    Implementing PR.

    Run this alongside a progressive manifesto like the 2017 one with better presentation and a less controversial figure. Someone like Clive Lewis. Ticks the boxes of both appealing to the metropolitan left whilst as a former soldier more easily presented to the red wall.
     
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    Problem is we've entered an age of extremism the like of which we've never seen before. Social media is the root cause.
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    Can’t argue with that. I do think consensus politics and PR that favours coalitions would help to defeat extremism.
     
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    Agreed. But how you'd go about it I don't know. 'Extreme consenus' perhaps
     
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    This, basically. The Labour party needs to come to some kind of internal truce on Corbynism/New Labour, and have each accept that the other would be better than continual Tory rule. Then reach out to other parties on the left coalition with a commitment that the first action in government would be to reform UK voting procedure to allow for PR.

    However, if that was ever actually attempted, the press (other than the Guardian & the Mirror) would go mental to a degree 100 times beyond what happened to Jeremy Corbyn.
     
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    Labour realistically just need to sit back make common sense interventions backed up by professionals and experts. This Tory sh*tshow hasn't got up to full speed yet and they've got plenty of track left before they nosedive. By 7th January they'll be at peak velocity with no safety net or parachute.
     
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    And instead Starmer has done the opposite and decided to go for extreme self harm.
     
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    Vote Green.
     
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    Common sense according to who though? What I consider to be common sense wouldn’t be what other people consider to be common sense and vice versa.
     
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    Oxford University Dictionary:

    Common sense
    1. The collective sense or judgement of human kind or of a community 2. Ordinary or normal understanding as possessed by all but the insane.


    Cambridge English Dictionary:

    Common sense The basic level of practical knowledge and judgement that we all need to help us live in a reasonable and safe way.


    So, if there’s no agreement on what ‘common sense’ is, we’ve no longer got a community. Which sort of explains where we’ve ended up- the individual over the collective.
     
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