Serco Track and trace cr.App pt 94

I'd be surprised but who is anymore?

One mess or scandal to another isn't it...

I don't think we have ever had a bigger set of chancers or over priveliged under educated mps in government before.

It's an absolute shambles and we haven't even started to unravel what Brexit will mean yet.

 

For a long time I've thought no politician was as incompetent as Chris Grayling, but Hancock is chasing him hard for the crown.

 

When the leader believes it ok to blatantly lie there is no wonder the rest follow suit.

 

The weekend papers had the story in slept with a Boris in exchange for public funds for my business’.

20 years ago that’d have brought down a British PM (and been a minor scandal in Italy). The reaction now? ‘Yeah, we know’ in a bored voice.

the country is fck ed, we’re so used to lies and corruption that literally nothing is a serious issue any longer.

 

They're all the same, declaring in manifesto's etc before elections just to get in power, then lying through their teeth when they get it. All politicians are like this - it is hard wired into them

 

I disagree. We've not seen anything like THIS in the UK before. This is blatant lieing at every opportunity and when caught, they lie some more.

Donny is right, scandals and incompetence always had cost. Thats not the case now.

You consider the scandals Johnson has been in that have been glossed over from the Russian connections, the affair, the lies, the superinjunction, and thats amid his utter incompetence in handling brexit and covid. then we've got Hancock and Raab. We've Jenrick who would normally have been sacked 3 times already, and we've got the breaches of international law relating to a withdrawal agreement and aspects of dealing with asylum seekers, and next in line the homeless.

And underlying all that blatant fraud and corruption that hasnt followed process and has had basic contractual safeguards removed.

You could argue about politicians being self serving and risk takers. You could say many had certain types of personality that drew them towards danger. You could say there were aspects of cronyism. You could say there was sleaze.

But in years gone by, all of those had penalty.

Not anymore. We shouldn't desensitise to this. the more we do, the more they'll push. Then what? When we have central tenets of democracy and freedom removed, what are we then?

Is that what true sovereignty is?

 

And that misses out Patel committing treason with Israel yet her punishment is promotion.
Rees-Mogg suggesting that the poor victims of Grenfell died because of their own mistake in not fleeing the fire
IDS and his fabricated CV
Grant Shapps/Sebastian Fox/Michael Green/Connie Stockheath and his get-rich-quick schemes and receiving cash from donors linked to his portfolio while in the shadow cabinet
Rishi Sunak and Sajid Javid with their personal involvement with the events leading to the credit crunch.

 

Absolutely bang on and I can't disagree to any of that. The question is what do we do? What can we do? Democracy has voted these in, so now what? We've got it for at least 4 years, probably and realistically a hell of a lot longer.

If this is democracy, then I don't want any part of it. So metaphorically and literally speaking - when do we sharpen our pitchforks?

 

And that’s the crowning glory of the ‘information age’.

it’s demonstrably not true BTW, but in convincing you that it is, they have secured your vote no matter what.

 

so you think politicians don't lie...and you're calling me gullible

 

I was going for as much brevity as I could muster... i wasn't sure how much room i had til i ran out of excel columns ;-)

 

What the actual fc ukc?

Can you quote where I said politicians don’t lie?

Do you think some MP’s (people) lie more than others? Do you believe that some people suffer consequences of their actions greater than others (based on influence / the media)? Do you believe that any of that has shifted over time?

btw all of those things are demonstrable. It feels like only a couple of years ago to me that we lost ministers for having affairs, when those affairs had no political consequences. Now we have a pm who literally gave taxpayers money to a bird in return for a shag, and no one cares.

 

Apologies, I misread your text. I think we're agreeing here however, I think people do care, but they are the ones who can't realistically do anything about it. I mean what can I do? What can you do? Not much at the moment apart from write to our MPs. Some good that'll do if you've got a Tory MP

 

In a way, those who voted for this have to feel the pain of it. Those who didn't already had good reason not to.

That goes for Johnson (i never call him the name he's assumed, partly as its not even his real first name!) as well as for the concept of Brexit too.

Unless they remove elections (it really wouldn't surprise me!), all that can be done is be vocal, share truths with others, provide information and allow others the room to change their view. At local elections, wipe out as much of the grass roots movements of the conservatives and far right as possible. And as incompetence and ideological choices translate to unemployment, lost homes, lost opportunity and general unfairness, the seeds of discontent will burgeon.

My strong expectation is Johnson has but months left of his tenure. Sunak is already starting to show more confidence alongside him and I suspect he senses opportunity for himself. Leadership change is afoot and I'd guess Feb/March will be the time. The question will be what will remain after Johnson is gone. The one thing the tories seem to be good at is regime change and swift migration of allegiance to the new fuhrer,

 

No Farnham their gaslighting isn't working - I'm on the same page as everyone else. I just had a small amount of time whilst I was out walking to put a quick one-liner in. I wish I hadn't bothered now, lol

 

May dropped 90% of her manifesto within one week of "winning" the 2017 GE and had to bribe the DUP to stay in power. I would be really surprised if her husband wasn't engaged in insider trading while she was in No 10.

But, still more honest that the current lot.

 

Thing is though DWLC, we all have to feel the pain of it, whether you voted for them or not.

 

3 years and 7 months under the Fixed Term Parliament Act until the next General Election.