Moncur yesterday....

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  1. sel

    selby Well-Known Member

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    Wasted outwide...

    He did alright early on but then disappeared and didn't get on the ball.

    The amount of times we got down the side and Yiadom ended up on his own and having to pass back was really frustrating me.

    If Moncur is playing he needs to be central otherwise he's totally inefective in my opinion.

    We've got Hammill Mahoney Hedges and Isgrove so need to play them an stretch teams with a bit of pace out wide and earlier crosses or it's so slow by the time we get the ball in the defence are set and our attackers are stood waiting instead of running onto balls.

    I'm not of the opinion hecky should go I just think he needs to take his foot off the brake and let us have a go at teams. All to often this season we've been on the front foot and teams have been their for the taking and we let them off the hook with poor tactics and team selection.
     
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    This. Moncur was nowhere to be seen. It enabled QPR also to double, sometimes triple up on Hammill in the first half too. Moncur also the one who fannied around and didn't get out to Scowen for the goal and fluffed our only real clear-cut chance in the second half when he should have broken the net imo.

    When he does get the ball he slows play down. Umpteen times there is a pass on and he delays until the moment has gone. He can run 20 yards with the ball now and again between each of his bent over wheezing bouts but that's it and even on these he ultra-rarely gets anywhere other than a dead end.

    Only real use for him I can see is coming on as sub if we are winning with 15-20 minutes to go, like at Sunderland. That timescale also fits his physical capabilities.
     
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    Can't see Moncur playing out wide now we have Mahoney. Him and Izzy would be first choices if fit. Hammill as cover.
     
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    Moncur was 'no where to be seen', no change there then.
     
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    He did yesterday while Mahoney and Hedges sat on the bench for 75/80 minutes....
     
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    Mahoney only signed 3 days earlier and Hedges just back from injury and tbh always better as impact sub.
     
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    Maybe if hecky plays him in his correct position he might have a chance 2 games in a row he has played him on the wing when we have had wingers on the bench. It's like playing Lloyd isgrove in goal and blaming him when he does ****.
     
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    More excuses for a player that has run out of them
     
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    We've wasted Moncur, we've taken away all his best assets away. He's not a winger, he's not a central midfielder, he's an attacking midfielder. It's absolutley pointless having him chasing back and making tackles because that isn't what he does. He gets goals, he gets assists. However he won't get either of the two whilever we keep playing him him that role.

    I hate seeing him get stick, he's not playing at 100% because her constantly played in the wrong position. Yes, I know we can't carry an attacking midfielder at the moment, but that's his position.

    It's like playing ******* Moore on the wing. Pointless.
     
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    Should not have signed him. When he has played in “his” position he’s hardly lit it up has he? He’s not done what you say is his strength often enough to justify carrying him.

    We signed him to fit into how we play not adopt how we play to him - he’s not good enough for that. He’s been able to develop into anything like a new Houriane and it’s time to move him on.
     
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    He's never played as an attacking midfielder whilst being here. The gaffer said he doesn't believe in them, your either a striker or a midfielder. Bizzare attitude really. We've tried developing him into an all round central midfielder which isn't what he is and isn't what he ever is going to be.

    Play him just behind moore to latch onto his knock ons and he makes things happen. Play him as a central midfielder and were wasting our time. He'll make the odd thing happen but he's far more effective just behind the striker.
     
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    But we don’t know that. He’s played as an attacking midfielder in a 3 before and contributed very little

    Another player who folk keep making excuses for I’m afraid
     
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    That's not the case. I think most people realise he's a really good player, but he's not able to show us anything by playing out of position. I think people are finding it easier to blame individual players at the moment rather than the poor decisions that come from the manager.
     
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    Trust me, I really want to see every player in our squad do well. I also want to see every player in our squad give 100%.
    As another poster sometime back said 'there is no excuse for not giving 100%'. This is regardless of what role is asked of you. We're not wasting Moncur - he's not giving himself a chance because he can't be arsed to try being anything other than what he thinks he is.
    Contrast this with Scowen when he played right back instead of midfield. He wasn't the best but made the best of it.
     
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    I thought he did very well 1st half against Fulham but he is no winger. Hecky played him on the wing 1st game of the season away at Bristol too or was that mowatt? Square pegs round holes and all that. I just don't know why we are playing players out of position week in week out. I'm sick of excuses we seem to have one every week when we lose but I find it hard to criticise players who aren't even been played in their natural positions.
     
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    Exactly, it brings to mind when George Williams said in an interview that you could stick him in goal and he'd give it a good go as he just wants to play. I could accept him trying hard in a different position and being rubbish at it, I can't accept him not putting any effort in.
     
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    I’ve never rated him. Threw his teddy out when he wasn’t playing in Aug 16 and ran off to his comfort zone. No effort. Not good enough to be carried.
     
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    I find it easy given this player in question doesn’t (or rarely does) do the minimum. Exhibit 1 - Slow to close down Scowen yesterday
     
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    Well if he is so bad like you say why is he still been picked over other options we have? And why is he been picked to play a position which he has never played in all his career when we have players who naturally play that position?
     
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    Yesterday and against Fulham I’d say we we’re pretty limited for choices.

    Hedges is worse. Mahoney rusty at best and Isgrove made of rice paper.

    If he persists in playing him there he will get what you want
     

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