Says it all really he gets MOM in a massive 2-0 win over MALTA The lad is a big part of the problem seriously overrated but he does run around a lot
He's not on his own being overrated in that side. Jeez...that was as poor as I've seen an England side, given the opposition was Malta. We played one up front... at home to Malta...
He did you're right and that was his entire contribution in 90 minutes we've got realise we were playing Malta a top class midfielder would've ripped them apart think Pirlo, Gascoigne and even a half fit Gerrard or Lampard I know these weren't exactly prolific winners at international level but if Henderson is the best we've got we're in bother
He isn't though is he? His job is to lay the base for Dele Ali et al like he does at Liverpool for Coutinho and Dembele/Wanyama do at Spurs. Regarding Dell Rosso's post we just beat Malta 2-1 in 2000 with Scholes and Beckham playing
Most players would get credit if their 'entire contribution' to a match was two assists. What did others do? Not saying he's a world beater just find it odd to single out man-of-the-match for criticism!
They are a team that apparently don't get beat by a large amount much. They are a team that will grind out low scores. Italy beat them 1-0 twice I think last campaign. England did create the chances and this time they didn't score the amount they can. Alli admitted he should have got more. The impressive Lingard should have got another. Struidge should have had another. And to say it's only against Malta. Henderson's not playing against league one or championship players for Liverpool. Only the other week did he play against a chelsea team and looked very good. They have some top players. He's played against a lot of the better players in the world. He's done well against a lot of them in different games for club or country. In the game mentioned he played against Matic, Kante and Oscar in that middle part of the pitch. At club level he's the heartbeat of that team. They aren't the finished article yet but are on the way. He plays in a stadium now holding 57,000. This forum makes me laugh sometimes. Constant gibes at some of the best in the country but if you say anything about a avg player that doesn't achive what JH does on a regular basis they get hated on. In 24 hours he will have captained the country, which he will add proudly to captaining Liverpool. ''Ex-Sunderland star Jordan Henderson will captain England tomorrow'' They are clearly proud of their former academy star up in Sunderland. He's the best player they have produced in a long time. Apart from someone they'd rather not mentioned they haven't produced that many good players in recent years. Pickford could be the next to follow.
At one point Rooney gave the ball away, Cahill won it back and tried to charge out of the box only for Henderson to take it off him and pass it back. Utterly pointless. While I'm on, what's the point of switching it but floating the ball while the other winger stands still waiting for it to come to him, by which time he is no longer an option because an opposition player is onto them?
Sturridge should have had one when he ballooned it out for a goal kick two feet from the Maltese goal line.
Been impressed with Henderson recently. Always possessed a great engine. And now looks to be adding an end-product to his game. I always felt he was playing within himself previously. Perhaps Klopp's management and the gap filled by Gerrard have been key factors in his emergence? I dunno. But he's not the captain of both club and country by chance. Good luck to him. Seems a good lad too. Playing three in midfield as we seem to be these days, despite a plethora of quality strikers and a dearth of midfield talent (bizarre, no?), I think it makes sense to have a physical unit in there, then a bit of a box-to-box midfielder with a good engine, and then a creator/runner to link with the front three. And at last it seems Rooney has been removed from that area. Hopefully for good. He was a top quality striker in his heyday, and although he's only 31 this year he has been playing since he was 15/16 and regularly. To move him into midfield was done on reputation or past achievements. It cannot have been about ability. To see him towing to pass or run against Iceland for example, while title winner Drinkwater sat on his arse on holiday in America, I found that ridiculous. Dier/Henderson/Alli might work. It might not. But at least it's round pegs in round holes. To be brutally honest though, as much as I rate a lot of England players for their clubs, they too often fail to show up as a cohesive unit for England when it matters. It surely then makes sense to pick a system, pick a regular group to play said system over the next two years as we piss through another astonishingly easy qualifying group, giving us a better chance to finally be competitive at a tournament. Instead of rocking up to one (as per) with no idea which system we're playing, nor daring to leave out the 'name' players. It wasn't just Rooney at the Euros. Sterling had been dreadful yet was in. Sturridge shoe-horned onto the wing etc. Hart's struggled for well over a year yet keeps getting in. If Southgate can pick the best side rather than the so-called best players, he'll do for me. This looked the best England performance in recent years: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35849556 Guess who wasn't involved? Aye. But Henderson was. In fact he played well that night too. Looking forward to tomorrow night's game. Surprisingly.
England are 5hite. Gareth Southgate is a 5hite manager. Gary Cahill, Ryan Bertrand and Joe Hart are 5hite footballers. 5hite. All of it.
How do you know what Southgates like. The players you've listed include premier league and champions league winners. They are all good footballers. Like I say above you are the type that makes me laugh. Slag off the talented but if someone says somethign about a avg footballer that wouldn't win 1/100 of any of them then you would be slagging them off
I don't think Henderson's a top player & shouldn't have gone to the Euro's as he was just coming back from injury & not 100% but I really don't get a lot of the nastiness I've read on here towards him. He's not a dick like Rooney or Wilshere, he's a model pro getting the most out of his ability. He deserves to play because there's not much else so might as well get behind him. It shows how desperate we are that some were even suggesting Mark Noble deserved a start. Let's face it, it's a pretty bleak time for the national team. We've not got a player who'd get a kick for Spain & they only made it to the last 16 at the Euro's, we'd also struggle to get more than one or two in the French or German sides. We need to focus on playing a 4-2-3-1 which is the system most of our players play for their clubs & gelling as a team to try & beat these teams with better players. In the 2000's we had Owen, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Neville & Cole as well as Campbell, Rio, Terry, Carragher, King & Woodgate all battling for spots at centre back at one point & that lot couldn't get to a semi final so I've no idea why there's so much expectancy on the current side. Just got to hope that Stones, Sterling, Alli etc can fulfil their potential but it wasn't long ago lads like Wright-Phillips, Walcott, Rodwell & Oxlade-Chamberlain were getting lots of hype
The difference is that most on here have a go at overrated, overpaid prima donna premier league players because they really don't do very much besides flattering to deceive whereas you do nothing but slag off and criticise our own players who represent our club and have given us one of the most memorable and enjoyable twelve months in a very long time. Something isn't quite right in this scenario and I'll give you a clue... This is a BFC forum for fans of BFC.
Cahill's been poor for 18 months now & has never been able to cope with movement so fair enough. Hart's not **** but yes his times probably up, back up to Forster & Butland for me. What's the issue with Bertrand? Barely put a foot wrong since joining Southampton? Thought he was unlucky not to be first choice at the Euro's although Rose did justify his place
You are talking about players playing for ENGLAND and then go on about earning. Brilliant, Classic of this forum. How much do they get paid exactly by the FA. How much goes into Hendersons, Sterlings, Stones, Cahill, Walcott's bank? How much Mario? They get what the market values them at. If you want to buy them then they are only worth what the market says they are worth. These players are only judged ultimately by the club managers, are you saying they can't judge a player but Mario from South Yorkshire can along with Conan Trotman on a formation. Goodness Ed Woodward. What you doing hireing one of the most succsessful managers ever, these two are here. Henderson to get back to topic's judged by J Klopp Klopp believes his best days for Liverpool lie ahead. He just wants him to relax in the centre of midfield and play to his strengths. “What am I expecting from Jordan? Improvement. He is a wonderful skilled player and his attitude is outstanding,” Klopp said. “He always wants to work and work hard. He is still a young player, even though he has played a lot of games. Klopp quote, he's a wonderful skilled player. Bundesliga winning manager.
