For those of the opinion we should wait for a vaccine

How many familys with diabeties in gene or those with underlying health conditions stopped their kids having MMR? I refused to let my son have it cos no one gave 100% conclusive evidence to discount Wakefields research.

Where does it leave us if those isolating dont want to risk a vaccine?

 

There is definitely evidence to 100% refute Wakefield 's research, look it up in the Lancet for a start.
If you don't want to risk the vaccine I suppose you would have to isolate until the population as a whole reaches the magic % that means it's eradicated, I think you could be in for a long wait though or run the risk of getting it.

 

What I don't understand about the whole Wakefield rubbish is, let's say he didn't completely make it all up (spolier - he did!) then who would rather have a dead kid than one with autism? He said the vaccine gives a small chance of developing autism (it doesn't) but alternatively, not having it gives a small chance of developing death.

My mam said there was a lot of talk at the time I was due to have it about whether to allow your child to have the vaccine or not (it came out in 1988 and I was born 1987 so was one of the first to be getting it) but she took me for it despite knowing others who didn't. I'm not sure what having diabetes has to do with anything but my mam is type 1 diabetic.

 

This might sound harsh - natural selection.

for years those of us who’s kids had the MMR jab have been saving the lives of the kids that didn’t. (you’re welcome)

as more and more stupid parents believe in daft conspiracy theories, that’s becoming increasingly fragile.

You can only hope that enough people will have the vaccine to mean herd immunity keeps you safe. Again; you’re welcome

 

For me this should have obviously been about the biggest piece of **** coming out of this imo has been Boris saying as the PM that be acted Responsibly ,Legally and with integrity.
That to me is the most damming thing of all that the PM personally made fools of us all and showed his contempt for us .
The whole country knows what the PM said was wrong whether they supported Cumminhs actions or not , only the most tribal would agree with this .
Even the most Tory of Tory people I know think he should at least alologise admitti he’d done wrong ,
Stories coming out now of Barnard Castle residents not being able to see dying relatives yards away because of lockdown rules drawn up in part by Cummings and the PM , it’s absolutely disgusting and I hope in the inquest these people will be able to question Cummings and the PM about these statements
I’ll not hold my breath on that one as they’ll be off looking for a fridge .

 

Poor decision, I hope your son is still ok despite this.

 

It would be a shame if anti vaxers stop us getting back to normal sooner.

 

I couldn’t tell you what I was injected with as a baby without asking the Dr.

I am immune to TB according to the ‘six needles’ you got to find out if you required the jab. Twice as it happens.

However, I haven’t had the flu jab and have unless I am forced to.

Barring early this year I am hardly every physically ill when I got some kind of virus, based on the symptoms I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Covid-19. I was hanging.

I hold the view that one of the reasons we are now more susceptible to illness is that our abodes are over sanitised.

Even prior to this pandemic, it seemed every other advert seemed to be for a cleaning product or a product to improve your personal hygiene or something new to kill 99.9% of known germs etc.

I am not at all suggesting that we stop washing our hands after a trip to the shitter but given the fact we at a nation seemingly wipe down our kitchen sides after every meal and every cuppa are we actually weakening our immune system leaving us open to infection.

 

I always thought I was immune to anything given that I was rarely ill, Then about 3-4 years ago I was bed-ridden for 3 days with Flu. All those times I’d described a heavy cold as flu. Never again, that bout of flu was some serious **** and I now have a flu jab each year

 

Idiot

 

I wouldn’t say I am immune but it takes a lot to put me on my arse. I rarely get more than a sniffle or a day or so feeling like **** then I am right as rain.

 

Think anybody who don’t let their kids have the MMR aren’t looking at the odds properly, there is far more chance of suffering harm from the actual disease as I understand it.

 

with flu the first day you think you're dying - the second day you wish you were. Yes, I too am first in the queue for the flu jab.

 

I can see why people fell for it. With my elder son he developed normally until around 18-24 months. It was in that period that the lack of speech had us worried. This by the time he was 3 led to a Autism diagnosis. Our world fell apart, we grieved for the future we thought we would have that was gone. It wasn't until some time later that I looked back and saw a lot of things he was doing from 6 months on were signs. We just didn't notice them as we knew nothing of Autism.
This is born out as my younger son is also Autistic and we was diagnosed officially almost a full year earlier than the elder. We knew all the signs the 2nd time around. We picked up on them.
But I do get why people can be taken in by the MMR hoax. It's the timing of it, nothing more. It never really crossed my mind as the reason as I did a lot of research on the subject. We sometimes look back at videos of the eldest from when he was around 1 and armed with all the knowledge we have now can't believe we didn't notice.
Choosing not protect a child with MMR is downright stupid, I struggle to think how any reasonably intelligent person who put a few hours research into could come to any other conclusion.

 

There's a pattern emerging here. Your judgement on health and safety matters isn't great. You are opposed to the lockdown and in the past have decided a vaccine is more dangerous than mumps and measles. If I'm ever with you at a pelican crossing and you decide it's safe to cross while the lights are still green, I won't be following you.

 

If you would have had covid 19 earlier this year then there would have been hundreds of people a day dying as we now know how infectious this disease is. As i pointed out to Jay who claims to have had covid 19 months ago despite not being tested (it hadn't even manifested itself here yet) this is not a simple flu like illness. My mate who is the same age as me died: he had no underlying health issues. I had a moderate illness. Twice i thought i would struggle to survive this and have never experienced anything like it before. I have had the flu a couple of times and this was incomparable.
I was ill over the winter for quite a few weeks and couldn't shake it off. It's called a seasonal cold or flu. A couple of million people suffer this every single year: it's normal.
So please stop suggesting you had covid 19 over the winter. I could suggest the same but this would mean there is no or little immunity as i have been tested positive a few weekks ago. Quite a scary prospect if this is the case.

 

Is it possible that people were dying of covid-19 earlier but because the symptoms are similar to that of flu (even if they're more extreme for some people) their deaths were simply out down to that or other things?

 

I'd presume no as there wasn't a significant number of excess deaths like there are now (in fact, weren't there less deaths than normal?)