Colliers v Cockneys

They were all ***** that 2nd half bar dkd. Phillips was as much of a passenger but no one mentions that.

 

I think my issue is. Coaching isn’t just the match day. He’s had a month to get the defense and midfield working to some sort of plan…. The plan is still run about like headless chickens.

 

that’s because he’s a footballer and couldn’t believe some of the ineptitude on display

 

Easy scapegoat.

 

thought they must have taken him off he was so non existent!

 

Perhaps if Mladen is told we definitely don't need any defenders he'll bring a couple in....

 

I never said I preferred the games under Clarke - I just really struggle to be anything like optimistic for next season based on what CH has delivered so far. He’s delivered one performance and a few moments outside of that. It isn’t enough.

Individuals looking better is all well and good - what have they achieved? The team is not better and is performing no better under Hourihane than Clarke. Not just in terms of results either. Some of Clarkes performances were terrible but it wasn’t long before he was sacked we played Lincoln - that was as good as the Bolton performance but fell away as he (correctly) wanted to save some legs for Charlton. Other than Bolton, CHs team haven’t put in a good performance for even half of a full game.

Looking more fluid in attack might be pretty on the eye - but playing a high line, leaving space in behind when our defence have the turning circle of a north sea oil tanker and the pace of a Galapagos tortoise, is absolutely brain dead.

I thought the first twenty minutes today were very good. We deserved a two goal lead. I posted as much on this very thread. I hoped to see it continue. It didn’t.

I don’t enjoy watching us capitulate as soon as the opposition have half a moment and grow into the game. I don’t enjoy watching numerous poor individual performances with no decisive action from the sidelines before they end up costing us. That hasn’t changed whatsoever.

I didnt enjoy watching us concede three goals in barely five minutes from being three one up, I didn’t like the sense of inevitability that it was going to happen as soon as they scored their second - and I certainly got very little to feel optimistic about from watching us being 4-3 down for over twenty minutes with stoppage time - and not having a single shot - nor did I think we were seriously trying to get anything out of the game once we were 4-3 down, with three right backs on the field, two of them as wide forwards.

He’s done absolutely nothing in his caretaker stint to warrant getting the permanent role. We played well once.

 

Agreed, just wasn’t happening for Bland today and should have brought him off at half time.

 

Let's all be honest - we've already seen today's game play out in dozens of other games this season.

Today was just a giant screen version of our best and worst. We can look pretty good and then go to looking woefully bad.

Perhaps today the attack was sharper, but the defence was more awful than usual.

I saw no overall team improvement today.

 

Sadly everything you’ve said is correct.

I hoped last Saturday was a turning point but the same weaknesses are all still there.

I tried to credit us more than criticise the opposition last week but ultimately they did make 3 subs in the first half which suggests they were way off it.

I think the one positive is we won’t sack another manager before the start of next season so at least he’ll get a full pre-season which is something our managers have lacked for a long time. That should set us up well for the start of next season.

 

I think there's a player in Humphrys if I'm honest. I think his illness earlier in the year affected him quite badly.

Can't comment on anything else.

 

Humphrys played well 1st half I've probably been one of his biggest critics on here but credit where it's due since conor came in he's looked a different player. Although wigan fans said that about him he often can't be arsed.

 

You're right, he's not brought much better results wise, but the fact we look better going forward and players are looking better and more comfortable is surely going to lead to more positive results no? We aren't going to get anywhere if we are losing each week, and the team looks lost, disinterested and key players are not playing well.

The defense is crap. You know that, I know that, everyone with eyes knows that. But the foundations are there for us to kick on in my opinion. Far from the finished article and I'm under no illusion of that, but it's been little positive steps in the right direction.

That 6 minute spell in 2nd half was a joke. The defense and midfield need a long hard look at themselves as it was pathetic. But we all know Conor will not accept that. He's shown already his mindset and he'll let them know that was unacceptable. Most of those in that defense won't be playing next season thankfully.

We're miles off where I'd like us to be, and where I'd hoped us to be. But I've seen positive changes since Conor came in. Certainly more to get excited about than when Clarke was here. Not saying it's perfect, or this fixes anything. My point is and has always been that it's showing some signs of going in the right direction.

 

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Been a keeper since he was a bairn mate.

 

I don't think it's Connors fault we probably have the slowest defence in the league coupled with today Bland,flavell and jalo having shocking 2nd halfs but they will as they are young and inexperienced and still learning. We played well for large parts which we never did under Clarke. One long ball over the defence and there fast towards did players like McCarthy earl and robbo for pace.

 

Yeah, and they are deservedly back in the Play off places again now, and they might win promotion.
But how dare we lose twice, to teams like L.Orient ehh. I mean come on, the likes of little L.Orient, and the same was also said when we lost then at 2nd placed Wycombe!!.
Im being sarcy there, but don't we hate it when other teams look down on us, in that same annoying way ?.

 

I think this is the modern football way of coaching, all goalies these days do it. You didn't see Banks, Shilton, Clemence, Jennings etc do it.

 

If we aren't ambitious enough to think it's really bad having Leyton Orient do the double on us scoring eight goals, we might as well build houses on Oakwell.

 

You're right about Phillips being a passenger; he had so little involvement as is often the case, and I'd have subbed him far earlier as he was so ineffective against them, hardly made a challenge.