You make some good points but this is a BMBC issue not BFC, folk are slating the club when it’s clearly not there doing
50/50 for me but I know what you mean, quite a few of the things I mentioned are because of the jobsworth heading the safety advisory group. That shouldn't stop the club from pushing for the changes though or for implementing a few of them that they do have control over but I do understand it isn't all down to the club on this one.
Re point about Beevor Court, Im not sure about the rationale exactly of closing it to pedestrians but the point about fire engines isn’t true is it? All the away buses manage to make it from the Queens Ground car park round the back of the club on a match-day and exit via Beevor Court so I assume ambulance/ fire engines wouldn’t have a problem going the other way?
I thought the only handsome chap in wombwell. Was me when I lived there. (Smith st) Our paths must not have crossed.
I'll stand corrected Paul. Wasnt the exit on Beevor court open for exiting after the emergency services had left or not required. Tbh I didn't know the away coaches left via that exit.
Yeah they open it once the away buses have left (and I think that’s the queue for the rest of the car park gates to open) Maybe thats part of the reason they don't want fans exiting that way
But there's still no access into the stadium from that side of the ground. The access into the stadium is at the opposite side of the stadium where there is also a conveniently placed road. Ok yeah they could navigate through the players carpark, passed the parked coaches and round to the opposite side of the ground but it's still approaching from the opposite side of the stadium.
Also on the point of having someone to control the traffic, it’s also not as simple as it sounds and not something the club were able to implement, even though they wanted to. Steve Croft, who runs the flag bearers and is part of the Trust board, worked as part of the road and traffic management dept at the council most of his working life and he explained at a meeting once why the club itself couldn’t put this in place. I can’t remember the details now, but could find out. (Was a while ago)
The access is near the tunnel, no? Just on the other side of the player car park that is setup to allow multiple coaches to pass every single game. Seems a perfectly easy route that isnt blocked by fans leaving in an emergency.
I was under the impression that beevor court was, just like most other roads in the uk a two way road. Enforce the law and one side would be clear every week wouldn't it? It seems that they chose the method of maximum disruption. Remember beevor court has been the access road for ambulances for decades (I remember the stadium announcements in the 90s and 00s and the only rule then was the road could not be parked on in order to allow clear passage of ambulances
In my experience, prior to the changes, people would park up there and drop off and pick people up and very likely blocking the access to emergency vehicles. Its not really very wide that road even though it is two way. I can see why the emergency services thought that was an issue.
Don’t forget either. The club didn’t chose any of this. The choice at the beginning of last season, based on the findings of the report into the Manchester bombings, was implement the changes or play behind closed doors with the financial and EFL sanctions that that this would create.
Oh I know the club didn't choose it but I think they've got a very very strong case to challenge it. Other clubs haven't had these draconian rules enforced on them. How many other clubs have a key entry to the ground closed entirely in order to have a dedicated road for fire engines (someone said recently it's only fire. Ambulances and police fight through the traffic at the other side of the ground apparently). Just because the SAG is headed by someone completely incompetent doesn't make their decisions right
Just because someone said something, doesn’t mean it’s true necessarily. I see ambulances stationed that side of the ground most games and regularly see police vehicles. (I’ve spent a lot of time in that car park over the last few years ) Other clubs do have similar challenges so that isn’t true. I attended multiple meetings with SYP and other fan reps from local clubs and Wednesday fans were complaining about similar closures not so long ago. It’s not a finding that only Barnsley’s SAG have decided to implement. It’s across football. Other stadia, particularly more modern ones, may have better access that make the issue less of a problem. Unfortunately, until the lease on the stadium is renewed and something can be done to improve access to alleviate some of these issues, I expect we have to live with them in the short term As has already been said, from a driving point of view, most grounds I visited that have car parks end up taking time to get out of. Some a lot longer than ours. The pedestrian access via Beevor court, although inconvenient, means a few more minutes walking doesn’t it? It’s **** for lazy ******** like me But god forbid if something did happen at least we wouldn’t see the sorts of issues faced in Manchester. One other thing, it’s not that easy to argue against security or health and safety recommendations, particularly if you might end up being culpable for going against those recommendations in the eventuality that the worse case scenario plays out.
Just so you know, Salt and Saltaire are two different breweries. Salt offer plenty of cracking brews as well though.