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  1. juttyp

    juttyp Well-Known Member

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    I think using VAR to judge offsides should only be allowed when the play is in the box or a line level with the 18 yard line. Outside should be the linesman’s call.
     
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    Could be worth a go.
     
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    Or the technology just needs to get better, so the decision is 100% accurate instantly. None of these silly videos with lines slowing the game down. Is the tech was 100% fine then there will be no issue but it seems to me it’s not there yet
     
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    Yes I want us to get promoted. I don't think we will, but if we do I'll celebrate as much as any other Barnsley fan.

    I won't buy a season ticket either way. I don't believe it would give me access to many live games. I think there'll be limitations on crowd sizes for some games and no one allowed in at all when Covid numbers increase again next winter.
     
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    This post is fishist. Comparing the fine and noble Pollock with the brain-dead morons that administer VAR....
     
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    Come on guys. It really isn't that difficult, or at least should not be! The rule should state any part of the body that is offside MUST, within the laws of the game be capable of being used to control the ball. i.e feet, legs torso and head. Therefore if an arm or hand is in a offside position it does not count as offside since the player cannot legally use it to control the ball. That should eliminate all those stupid VAR offsides where someone who was on side except for his extended arm was ruled offside and therefore gaining an advantage.
    EDIT: On that basis the guy above is clearly offside and rightly so as he has a clear advantage over defenders

    As for other stupid complicated offside rules e.g.. where someone was yards off and gained an advantage over defenders but not ruled offside because it was a "different phase" or "not interfering with play" no wonder it confuses refs. Offside should be offside regardless of 'phase of play'.. If a ball is played forward in the attacking half and any player in the attacking side is in front of the last defender and the ball when kicked he should be flagged offside. Clear and unequivocal! Refs and linos are having to make too many instantaneous fine judgement calls in a high speed game which is why VAR has become so involved. Doesn't explain the stupid logic defying decisions they often arrive at though.
     
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    It's not US that needs to stop over analysing, its Sky, the BBC, Quest etc that need to stop. Just show the action and let the viewers decide for themselves. Referees and linesmen that consistently get major decisions wrong should be relegated down the leagues till they find their level.
     
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    Spot on mate. The only difference I'd suggest is to move offside into zones in the final 3rd. This would remove the problem which resulted in the original offside rule being changed, ie the "Arsenal" offside trap on the halfway line.
     
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    That would mean an extra line on the pitch to define final thirds. Then we would no doubt have VAR debating whether the 'offside player was over the line on it, or partly on it,:) The offside trap on the halfway line you refer to ...it is up to the opposition to work a way around that one.
     
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    No different to the halfway line then....
     
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    I think the two are inseparable - it IS the Laws of the Game BUT VAR is the reason the laws are being tinkered with so much, even to the point of being changed mid-season.

    The tail is now wagging the dog, and that's a million percent down to the real villains of the piece - buffoons in blazers.
     
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    I agree. I also reckon the folk changing the rules have never played the game.

    Forget about Wenger.
     
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    What about a player just inside the opposition and his knee is offside?
     
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    You have to 'draw a line somewhere' (sorry could not resist) so Yes, since he can legally play the ball with any part of his leg then he is offside. That strengthens the ' clear daylight' argument I suppose, since in real time it is difficult to differentiate with such fine margins.
     
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    Fair enough I suppose.

    If it was a ‘normal year’ and we were in this position what would you do?

    Fwiw I think as long as the vaccine works as it looks like it will, with hospitalisations and deaths staying low, we’ll be in all next season regardless of number of cases in the winter.
     
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    It already is only parts that can control the ball. You can’t be offside for an arm. It gets complicated with shoulders and things though.

    My point about the image above is that if the rule was ‘clear daylight’ he would be onside there. Doesn’t solve anything and just shifts the position of the lines on the pitch while giving attackers a huge advantage.
     
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    In my opinion the solution to VAR is to give managers/captains the ability to review. 2 reviews a match which are retained if it’s successful. Along with ‘referees call’ for decisions that are close.

    Sounds familiar? Cricket have already been through all this and found out what works and what doesn’t. Why reinvent the wheel?
     
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    Not sure. I want to see us the Premier League. I really hate VAR. Conundrum.
     
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    I've recently come round to the realisation that VAR isn't the problem - the officiating is.

    Referees have always been there to ensure a game of football is played fairly. Now it's becoming an emphasis on pure perfection to the nearest centimetre in unquestionable decision making. That's not football, that's some altogether different branch of science.

    I'm astounded as to why there hasn't been a system similar to tennis, cricket and rugby whereby competitors or captains have a fixed number of 'appeals' to raise with officials so as not to disrupt the flow. And could we not simply do away with VAR for everything but objective rulings?

    Either way, it's clear that players, coaches, ex pros and fans despise it and the only major proponents of it are the small batch of officials who see it as some error erradicating godsend. So why is it here? It's not as though football has struggled for global popularity before the advent of VAR!!
     
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    If we're intent on perfecting decisions then just stick a chip in everyone's boot and base it off those locations. No arguing with that, no need for daft lines.
     

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