Npt exactly scaremongering as there are enough serious problems with the current Brexit situation

I want my brie!! Stamps foot!!

 

I prefer a mature Camembert, far better.

Only ever had decent Brie once, back in about 1980 when a French sales rep brought some with her. It was that runny it was almost pourable. The stuff you get in the shops here is pretty tasteless.

 

You're right, nobody can predict the future. And you're also right change is inevitable. Change happens whether you like it or not, just by default as time ticks by.

And obviously my views and perceptions and evidence directly from some UK businesses are fundamentally different to yours.

This exit approach in this style would be crazy in normal times. That we're doing this mid a global pandemic is a lunacy I don't think I've ever seen before in any situation. That's before we put aside the lack of preparations we've made and the lack of detail and planning (not to mention lack of honesty).

I'd have much preferred this government were honest (yes I know, as if) and said, we want an ideological no deal, so you have 12 months to plan and prepare and this is how it will adversely affect you and how in time it might positively affect you. Though it's telling that nearly 5 years on, I'm yet to see anyone paint a palatable picture of what the future UK utopia is. What the benefits actually are.

Being outside of the EU will affect every person in this country adversely, moreso in the short and mid term. Some will do better, inspite of leaving and even less will benefit because of leaving. People and organisations will find their best way to exist and cope. But thats where we are for the foreseeable. Existing and coping.

 

Love my fromage but you're right, so much tastier when you're actually in France.

 

Certainly in Italy and France in particular, the foodstuffs retained for their own consumption is of way better quality than what we have shipped here. I visited a parmesan factory near Parma a few years back and the quality of their product was amazing, but it was aged for 3 years minimum, where as what is shipped for UK supermarkets was only 18 months.

 

Wine? Wine & Grind.

 

For fu*ks sake Admin, I don't believe in banning posters, so can you give Mussolini his own personal category.?

 

Ah....the old Trump "prove you didn't cheat" line of defence.

As I said, nice to see you admit food prices will rise due to Brexit (hence the worst of in society will suffer disproportionately).

 

But that’s not how it works.
A business works out their profit margin as a % of costs not as a £ amount.
So if something costs £500 and you add 40% in duty it’ll now cost £700 (actually more because the VAT is added after the duty).

If the retailer has decided that their retail price is cost x2 then it’ll go up from £1000 to £1400.

Yes that means that they also make more ££s in profit, but it makes no sense for them to constantly adjust their profit margin with price fluctuations to chase £250 profit.

We don’t have to 2nd guess how a no deal Brexit will affect food prices, we can just wait and see. Well obviously not you, because it’ll not really affect your food bill; just mine and my kids and grandkids. That’s democracy for you.

 

I think you've misunderstood. The conversation now is how much worse off we will be now we've left. Not whether we'll be worse off, but just by how much.

 

And let's just think about what this SOVEREIGNTY means. Not that I, you, or anyone else in Barnsley will have more sovereignty over the control of our affairs. It means we will hand that "sovereignty" over to a bunch of over-educated toffs who don't give Jack S**t about Barnsley or anyone north of Watford. The EU by contrast (including ourselves, as party to any decisions taken there up to this year) have engendered a large number of beneficial policies regarding workers' rights, environmental protection and consumer standards, amongst others. Given how much the Tories have done for areas like Barnsley, I'd far sooner have joint sovereignty with more grown-up politicians in Europe.

 

Just an aside. I read an article where people in Leigh were asked for their opinions of a possible no deal and about DePfeffel. I really hope they had to search long for the ones they finally published, but words like "I feel sorry for Johnson".... "he really cares"... "I'd still vote for Brexit" give you a good guide to the general tone of the piece. And it was in the Grauniad!

 

All hope is lost!

 

Where to start?

1. My concrete proof is that there wouldn't be any tariffs on goods entering/leaving to Europe from UK had we remained a member.
2. So you're never going on a cruise because a ship hit an iceberg in 1912. I can confidently predict right now that at some point in the future there will be a shipping disaster that involves passengers. However, that is not going to stop me getting on a ferry. If at some point in the future someone presents me with some new data/facts that suggest ships are inherently dangerous then at that point I will reassess my travel plans. There will undoubtedly be problems with the EU going forward, I don't know of anyone who thinks it is perfect, but should it 'go to pot' we will be affected regardless of whether or not we are members. Right now it looks to me that the US is more likely to implode, perhaps we should refrain from dealing with them?
3. Your gym analogy only holds water if you are the kind of person that believes that it is every man for himself and that there is nothing to be gained by being part of a collective where richer members pay more than the poorer ones. You know, like the NHS, or the idea that if someone else becomes more prosperous then we are all better off.
4. Your right, nobody can predict the future, but I'm not going to sell my house now on the off chance the market will crash and I might be able to buy a better one cheaper in 10 years time. Since you like analogies, I can't predict that I will have a car accident on the way to work some time in the future, but there is plenty of data around for me to make an informed choice as to whether or not it is worth the risk of driving there. Should I carry on going to work as I have for the last 40 years in the knowledge that I know the risks and think they are worth it, or should I quit my job just in case & hope a job comes along where I don't need to travel?

 

I’d be more concerned the Supermarkets use it to take the opportunity to squeeze farmers even harder than they are now.