Another lighting/wiring question

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  1. churtonred

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    #1 churtonred, Sep 8, 2020
    We've just bought two new light fittings for the kitchen. Both have the standard live and neutral wires. Having taken off the two old ceiling roses there are two cables coming through at both points. One with a single live wire and the other with what seems to be two neutral wires.
    Do i have to connect both neutral wires to each light fitting?
    The sitting room lights are now also not working in the room beyond so must be on the same circuit.
    Yours, an electrical eejit.
     
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    #2 Redhelen, Sep 8, 2020
    Get an electrician!!
     
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    #3 Red CB, Sep 8, 2020
    Your nuetrals on the same lighting circuit should be coupled together as they usually loop to another fitting , if you leave one uncoupled then the next fitting on the circuit will not work .
     
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    #4 Sparky, Sep 8, 2020
    If you want to pay my travel over I'll put them up then we can have a Guinness:D:D:D
     
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    #5 Farnham_Red, Sep 8, 2020
    The lighting will be on a ring, so somewhere there will need to be a live in and out and a neutral in and out, to continue on to the next light so you should have 2 live wires and 2 neutral wires to form the ring then also you should have a live wire going to the switch and then switched live back to the light itself. But as Redhelen states - if you arent sure get someone in who does know
     
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    #6 Sparky, Sep 8, 2020
    Thats called the loop in system...not all lighting circuits are wired this way
     
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    #7 churtonred, Sep 8, 2020
    :)
    I'll see if I can get a plug that needs changing next summer post covid.
     
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    #8 Hooky feller, Sep 8, 2020
    I’m a spark and you’ve totally confused me. :confused::)
     
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    #9 Farnham_Red, Sep 8, 2020
    I was trying to make sure Chutonred sought help but maybe didnt explain a lighting ring well -assuming thats what he had. I cant think of any system that has one live and 2 neutral wires at the rose though. I knew what I meant anyway.
     
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    #10 Hooky feller, Sep 8, 2020
    Glad someone does. ;):)
     
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    #11 Hooky feller, Sep 8, 2020
    Once went to a mates. He’d had a go himself at doing an outside light. Pissed missen laughing.”WTF as tha done here.” When he put outside light on hallway lights went half dim. When he switched hallway lights on initially. Living room lights turned off or summat like that. When he turned upstairs light on tripped breaker. :):).
     
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    #12 churtonred, Sep 8, 2020
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    I do have to say that we live in the house that Jack built. It's had many a tradesman shaking their head.
    And don't start me on the water supply.
    :)
     
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    #13 Farnham_Red, Sep 8, 2020
    Mine wasnt so well done either - previous owner took out an immersion heater by just cutting the wires and leaving them - live in the airing cupboard
    wired in a new mains socket using ordinary flex like you would put on a plug and I still havent figured out what he did with the light switches to the hall light - it has 2 switches - both turn it on and off as you expect but in one combination of off - if you have a long life light bulb in it sometimes flashes on and off - its only on for a fraction of a second but its really wierd as I cant figure out what can be wrong
     
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    #14 Hooky feller, Sep 8, 2020
    Lots have.. most older wiring methods did. Not an house basher so to speak buts the way I have done extensions for families in the past preferring J boxes. Rather than ceiling rose.
     
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    #15 Hooky feller, Sep 8, 2020
    I work for the water industry mate. :)
    Electrical engineer.
    Try mixing em. :eek:
     
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    #16 Hooky feller, Sep 8, 2020
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    #17 Sparky, Sep 8, 2020
    Joint boxes are ok if you can get to them after. By far the best way to wire lighting is with singles but a bit more labour intensive
     
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    #18 tingleytyke, Sep 8, 2020
    Just a pointer for all who like to fiddle with wires. Take a photo before you start to disconnect things. Marking each wire also helps.
     
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    #19 churtonred, Sep 8, 2020
    Yer tell me that now don't you! NOW you tell me that!
    :D
     
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    #20 Hooky feller, Sep 8, 2020
    Agree with that mate. Did bro in laws extension that way. Him doing most of the labour. :)
     
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