12 point deduction or not, we are still a poor outfit this season.

Based on the season as a whole we deserve to go down. We can't keep relying on other clubs' failings to see us through.
Remember last Saturday, was that good enough to keep us up?
Or are we clutching at straws to delay the inevitable next season, if we stayed up?

 

Of course, you’re right, we haven’t been good enough. But how good would the teams looking at punishment have been had they not cheated in the first place?
And I suppose one answer to that question could be, still a bit better than us.

 

I don’t think it is inevitable though due to
1) our points ratio since January is better than a fair few teams
2) other teams may not be financially able to cherry pick our players for wages they can’t afford I.e: Moore, Lindsay, Mcdonald, winnall, scowen etc
3) the efl may actually enforce their own ffp rules and put the brakes on out of control spending
4) our current manager seems to appreciate and has in some ways proven that you need a couple of experienced and trusted players.

When we are in the championship next season I believe we’ll be in significantly calmer waters than this year as a club.

 

We can all sigh and say, "we were **** anyway". It doesn't feel any better when it's confirmed. It didn't make me feel better at Derby in floods of tears and being ushered out by a steward after us being beaten 4-1.

 

I know we keep banging on about EFL and financial fair play but I cant see it happening and being regulated fully so we continue to be little old Barnsley. Wednesday have been in masses of debt for decades. Sounds like a fine and a dont be cheeky again is to be their punishment at best.

 

The thing is, we haven’t been **** all season. We’ve played some lovely football at times but individual errors and naivety have cost us. These deficiencies are highlighted when we play experienced teams because we get old manned very easily. Hard lessons.

 

Spot on. It was no surprise at all we lost to Stoke City twice.

 

I can see where you're coming from and I felt pretty much the same in the early part of the season. But we are one of a handful of sides that have struggled this season. If we finish in the bottom three (before any points deductions) then you can say we deserve to go down. It's too early to say it yet.

If points deductions save us, I won't be complaining. The football landscape could look very different in the post-Covid world and there's no guarantee of any games below Championship level unless fans get into stadiums. If a club that breaches the rules goes down and we get a stay of execution, then that's their own fault. I won't lose any sleep over it. Now more than ever, it's crucial that we stay in the Championship.

 

How can you base it on the season as a whole with five games left?
Have you seen all Hulls or Boros games ? if we finish below them after these five games then we do deserve to go down if we don’t we deserve to stay up simple as .
Nobody deserves anything till the shows over .

 

Lovely thread this. A vital game today so let's talk about how **** we are.
Red Army!

 

That mirrors my opinion, too, old mate.

 

The OP was complaining earlier that no-one spoke to him. At least now he knows how to stimulate some replies.

 

Spot on Old Goat and BigLil. It's vital we stay up because there are no guarantees lower than the Championship next season. A lot of clubs and players will be left in limbo.

 

Tbh I couldn’t care less if we survive because teams gets points deductions, as long as we stay up. That’s on the premise that our owners have learnt their lessons and aren’t setting us up for another year of misery, we might as well just go down if that’s the case.

 

Was I ??

 

We have some good Championship players.
And some that in a season or two will be good Championship players.
The problem is - we haven’t got enough of those types of players.

 

You can have 6 people watching the reds and if you get them to write a game report at least four will be different, they will have their ‘favourites’ and their scapegoats, but they won’t be the same! and that is the same with a seasonal overview. In my view l see the reds as having potential to move onwards in the championship as they mature they will blossom, l have seen only one or two teams who have outclassed us and most have been no better than us apart from experience and muscle. I do hope we stay up ‘by any means’. I know the youngsters deserve it.

 

My view is that if we stay up this season we'll be more competitive next. Whilst there's been no admission of the need to sign experience I believe signing Sollbauer and Ritzmaier in January are a small sign that the owners understand it and whilst the focus will remain on youth I think there'll be a bit more balance in future. Staying up will also increase the likelihood of our best players staying and we'll hopefully see further development and improvement from some of our youngsters.
Going down on the other hand will have huge consequences in my view. Reduced income of £6m+ will inevitably result in the departure of more of our best players (and increase the probability they want to leave) and in the covid/post covid environment the fees we receive would likely be less meaning we'll have less money to strengthen so will go largely with what we've got.
I'd also expect Struber to leave and return to Austria. I think we'd therefore be set back much more than just one year and may need to be prepared for perhaps an extended stay in League One.
Others may of course disagree - and they may be right. But it's why I think staying up this season was so important - albeit of course that the owners couldn't have foreseen the covid impact last summer.
Unfortunately I don't think it'll happen and we will be relegated.

I still have an inkling that we may see some teams (in all three divisions of the EFL) fold and so I'm clinging to the possibility that we may be relegated but later reinstated in the Championship to make up the numbers. For that reason I think it remains important to fight to the end so that we finish third from bottom even if relegation is mathematically certain beforehand.

 

If we are re elected because a team has gone bust Darragh Macanthony will spontaneously combust imo .

 

No idea, I never read anything you write.