Straw Poll

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Which option...

  1. Choice A

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  2. Choice B

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  1. ley

    leythtyke Well-Known Member

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    The point of testing and tracing is to reduce the number of people out and about that have been in contact with someone with the virus, therefore could be carrying and transmitting it unknowingly. Ideally, those that can't work from home would also be able to get a test to confirm they can go back to work or if they need to take sick leave.

    For the supermarket example, if a member of staff tests positive for the virus, then you'd hope their colleagues that have shared a shift with them over the previous 1-2 weeks would also be able to be tested. Customers would be notified either by the app that the govt are having developed, or the supermarket would need to put notifications out via social media and local media, so customers can decide on their level of risk.

    Of course, there are limits on what is available, but we need to reach those limits. At the moment, the UK only seems to be using 50% of it's tests, which is crazy.
     
  2. Tyk

    Tyketical Masterstroke Well-Known Member

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    Anyone regularly working over 50 hours a week in a professional job, unless it’s entered into voluntarily to go above and beyond, needs to seriously review their role and see which one of two things is the matter:

    1) Their employer is making completely unreasonable demands on what one person can reasonably achieve and you need to be brave and take them up on it, or
    2) Do you have the appropriate skill set required to do the job properly or are you just fundamentally not cut out for it?

    FWIW I’ve been in both situations.
     
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  3. BarnsleyReds

    BarnsleyReds Well-Known Member

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    Are you against all people working from home, or just teachers? What difference does it make if they do their lesson planning at home or in a school, other than one of the options not requiring a caretaker to go and unlock and an additional cost to have the lights on etc.
     
  4. Trickster Two Six

    Trickster Two Six Well-Known Member

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    I was having a rant, my mrs’s mate married to a history teacher who is ‘working from home’ my mrs just telling her mate I was still working full time but she’d just been furloughed so we’d have to tighten our belts accordingly. Her mate bragging that they were ok cos teachers weren't being furloughed and he was on full pay whilst sitting in the garden doing nowt. Her words. I’m sure that like in all professions there are those who do their bit and those who take the pyss. No offence intended to anyone just pyssed me right off I don’t like the bloke anyway he’s a smug knob.
     
  5. ark

    ark104 (v2) Well-Known Member

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    Sounds a great friendship group
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    Daft question.
    You ease the lockdown when the disease has definitely peaked. When all staff in all areas of public service with people have adequate and correct PPE so all teachers care homes etc.

    Testing and trace and isolate is working and up and running to a sufficient level and capacity to help manage infection

    Face masks to be mandatory in all public spaces at all times

    All workplaces set up to adhere to social distancing rules
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    Large scale public gathering still to be suspended until Christmas at earliest probably including pubs.

    When all of the above are done you ease the lockdown otherwise y we will all be back in lockdown within several weeks
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    That would be the Easter holiday.
     
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  8. Don

    Donny-Red Well-Known Member

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    Well so far we can see that evidence gathering isn’t a strong point - listen to the news, speak to key workers with kids or even non key workers with kids and you’d know that schools were anything but ‘shut down’.

    but you’ve never allowed evidence to get in the way of your strongly held beliefs - why start now. :)
     
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  9. Red

    Red-Taff. Well-Known Member

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    Agree with all you say but I'm not sure how the 'tracing' works in practice - bus driver or shop keeper etc test positive how do you trace all their contacts.
    If schools re-open and a teacher tests positive - do you test all the children and their families?
     
  10. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    We started doing it when the first infections were found but the system got overwhelmed. I’m response yes as many contacts as you can. You need to get to the point where 1 person is infecting less than 1 person. Angela Merkel described it best

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/16/ange...nfection-risk-anyone-can-understand-12566585/


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...tudy-to-track-virus-weeks-after-halting-tests
    https://www.wired.com/story/taiwan-is-beating-the-coronavirus-can-the-us-do-the-same/
     
  11. Red

    Red-Taff. Well-Known Member

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    thanks JV -
    went to my Post office yesterday - guy serving there didn't have a mask on - if he had Covid 19 he could potentially have infected tens of customers - how could all those be traced and tested. Even if traced by the time they're tested if they're positive their contacts will in turn have the virus and so it goes on.
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    indeed it’s why you need to join the strand. Test and trace and isolate works only if as you say people have PPE and use it. As in Germany needs to be made compulsory in all public spaces
     

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