Covid pupdate

Sorry I clearly didn't understand your reply to Red Helen which seemed to suggest something else.

 

I am not putting forward an argument that the novel coronavirus was anywhere other than inside China prior to January 2020.

I am not saying it originated anywhere else.

What we have at the moment is a good theory.

But it's not water tight.

I'm going to lose zero seconds thinking about that, because to me it's not important. This is a problem facing the human race. It's a problem I don't believe we're tackling very well. But drawing lines in the sand regarding ethnicity, nationality and lines drawn on a map is alien to me. It affects us all and no one is to blame.

 

|Aint necessarily so.draw a venn diagram of people who may have died from seasonal flu anyway and then factor in COV 19. not trying to down play it, quite the opposite, but if you want a total of cov 19 deaths subtract the expected deaths from usual flu. Another reason why our failure to test is de-railing our response

 

Is it possible that chinese students going home for christmas took it to china. I was told the other day that there are more flights between Millan and China than anywhere else ( not verified by the way) due to the fashion trade, thats why it took off in Italy so quick, but it could be the other way round, it could have been in Italy before China but China found i first.

 

It is entirely possible that it was a normal coronavirus that was present in Europe last year, traveled back to China with a student or fashion model/designer, and mutated into something nastier in China. Spanish flu did something similar and went from a 24-hour bug to a nasty killer in a season.

 

I thought they had identified that it came from a bat and they think bat fluids/kak got into or onto a wild animal - not sure which type - that was traded at a Wild Animal market in Wuhan.

 

Thats true, but the reverse could also be possible, my point is, why in every scenario is China the culprit, it could have been a normal virus in China then exported elsewhere and then mutated but China was the first to find it. Not excusing China but we in the west are very quick to find a reason to blame other people.

 

That's the accepted story. In the West. Might well be true. I have no idea. I very much doubt that's the accepted story in China. If we are right, whoever nailed that theory deserves a million Nobel Prizes. We don't yet know exactly how transmission occurs. We don't know the death rate. We don't know how many people are infected. We don't why it's so mild for many people and why it's so devastating for others. We basically don't know anything about it. But we do know the name of the bat that **** on the pig in a market in Wuhan that started this whole thing off. Amazing isn't it. I can't imagine Steven Soderberg is very happy with that narrative either. Plagiarism on a cosmic scale. At the very least he's owed a few million. Whichever marketing company did this, it's utterly genius.

Bookmark this. Keep it and read it again in two years. And I'm really not showing any insight at all. I just don't have a TV.

 

It is the speed of transmission that has shocked me. I read the bat bit back at work in January and was complacent and now in early April I am in week 3 of a lockdown. How lethal I've no idea, we don't seem to know cause we don't know who has got it or had it. I think there must come a time when we look at the damage being caused by stopping our normal life and say it is hurting us more doing this and will stuff us for years to come.

 

Double post

 

On a very similar tack, Russia has a huge number of Chinese tourists and a 4200km border with China. Yet Covid-19 is supposed to have appeared here after it appeared in Europe. That just does not make sense. Respected Russian experts are seriously questioning the low numbers and supposed late appearance of Coronavirus in Russia. They are of the opinion that according to all reasonable logic, it must have been here since late December or early January, but was not reported as the majority of people affected just assumed they had a cold or flu and stayed at home. Of those who got seriously ill or died, they were registered as having pneumonia or complications from influenza, things which usually spike in January, so nothing unusual was noted.

 

Sorry. Just you were talking about when it came into the country so I replied in kind. I didn't blame anyone although a specific state body might be to blame for not taking precautions before the event. Certainly many governments responses were too slow too early on. Ours still isn't checking people arriving by plane, it would seem.

 

The fact that the UK and foreign press aren't questioning Russia's numbers is odd, given they question everything else that happens there.

There's only two possibilities,

1) Russia is downplaying its numbers
2) The numbers in Russia are genuinely low and not causing any issues

Both of which seem hard to imagine for various reasons. Thoughts?

Edit: Relevant article maybe points at explanation but... I dunno. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/21/europe/putin-coronavirus-russia-intl/index.html

Edit 2: Seems the numbers are growing https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/10/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-april-10-a69117

 

I think the scientific community are pretty convinced that COVID-19 originated in bats and they’re also pretty sure it passed to humans through pangolins (just as it’s thought that other coronaviruses MERS and SARS originated in bats and passed to humans through camels and civets). Hence why the Chinese closed the seafood market in Wuhan on 1 January, which also sold wild animals such as pangolins. Given China is the only country that sells pangolin meat and scales, I think we can be pretty certain that it did originate there.

 

The 'blame' in the UK, in my opinion, doesn't rest solely with Boris Johnson's government. In fact, considering the length of time he's in been in Downing Street, he shoulders less responsibility than many of his predecessors. Blaming him for not doing this or doing that when we're only at the very start of this and don't yet know the repercussions of any decisions made is pointless in my opinion. The blame lies in successive governments not formulating a plan for what the country will do at the onset of a pandemic, when human history has shown they are inevitable and we've had so many near misses just the century.

It's different in the USA. Donald Trump is entirely to blame. The Barack Obama White House, on the back of the close call with the Ebola outbreak, did commission and complete such a plan and handed it to Donald Trump who shelved it.

 

According to this, Russia cases are classed as high.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-coronavirus-report
if you alter the reports to death though they are quite low.

 

The Conservative Government has been in charge for 10 years. They're responsible for NHS failings, cutting PPE stocks etc.

 

I don't disagree with that.

 

It is thought that it mutated from bats to pangolins. Fascinating animals but the Chinese have hunted/eaten them to near extinction in China. Btw. Google the bat lady of Wuhan professor chi. This is definitely Chinese in origin. In northern Italy there are ao lot sweatshops employing cheap Chinese labour which corrupt government have turned a blind eye to, hence the spread when they all visited China for Chinese New year.