To those who are saying mountains out of molehills over cv

Why on earth do you think we are in lockdown? Why on earth is a Tory government spending money it doesn't have to on extra hospitals, furlough payments etc . None of this happened wIth the swine flu Genuinely interested.

 

Good question Helen and obviously this is an extremely serious pandemic which governments across the world are trying to deal with in their own way. The vast majority of people are taking it extremely seriously and abiding with government advice and you will always find a few idiots that do the opposite however from all the information given it seems that social distancing is paramount to stopping the spread of the virus and if we can educate people to adhere to this then we may be able to keep the infection rate down to a manageable level. I'm afraid this is the best we can hope for until a vaccine becomes available.

 

I genuinely haven't seen anyone on here say that or underplay the severity of this. Some have questioned what is the best way to deal with it, others have acknowledged that this is a daily changing beast to which we have to evolve our response. Its new, the world is working out how to react. 500,000 anticipated deaths is now becoming 20,000. Still horrendous but a very different number. That could completely change the other way and escalate next week. People are really emotional. It makes been rational difficult. Whatever happens the world as we know it will be a very different world when this is over.

 

I'm really meaning those who are saying the death rate is skewed because if you have cancer but test positive for cv it's recorded as a cv death.

 

I think you are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. I contributed on that thread and I am taking this very seriously. Questioning the recording method doesn't mean you think it is nothing to worry about.

 

OK, point taken.

 

But that's a valid question too, isn't it? I'm still not sure there has been any clarity on that. If someone dies of a terminal illness and they test positive for COVID_19 is that recorded as the cause of death or not? It isn't underpaying it to try and understand these issues. And doesn't change the fact someone has died.

 

Well that's all down to matter of interruption of the data I suppose. Some overlap will occur between those who would have died anyway and the "extra"deaths caused by Covid19. Working that figure out will only really be possible months down the line I suspect.
The purpose of all these measures is really to prevent the deaths of those who could survive the virus but may die without medical intervention, which will not be available if the health service becomes overwhelmed. It really is that simple. We don't put these measures in place for flu even though it too kills many vulnerable people because the levels of those hospitalised is largely manageable for the health service.
If Covid19 was less contagious but still had the same death rate nothing would be done that would change day to day life.

 

Wasn't the actual comment from the medical officer more along the lines of we'd do well to keep it to 20,000?

 

Something like that, or we can keep it under 20,000, but they clearly think that's currently where we are which is hugely positive against initial predictions. Although that may well change again. The only people who are wrong in this is anyone who speaks with any degree of confidence about what will happen.

 

If you've got cancer and can expect to live, say 5 years and u get covid 19 and die in a week, I'd say that's a covid 19 death. You'd have an underlying condition as the majority appear to have, but it was covid 19 that killed u. Imho.

 

We are preparing for this......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164403/Britain-stay-locked-JUNE-says-leading-adviser.html

 

Really good point.

 

Don’t know how accurate this link is, but it explains the difference in that CV is more widespread but the % mortality rate is much less than others but more have died etc.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-sars-swine-flu-mers-zika-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

 

Absolutely
500,000 if we do nothing, number reduces with the more we do.

but the 20,000 is still a best case scenario.

and when the final death toll comes in at under 50,000 there’ll be people saying that it was all a waste of effort as the deaths were nowhere near the ‘scaremongering media’ predicted.

like all the idiots who’ve banged on about the ‘non existent’ millennium bug that was down to the hard work of hundreds of thousands of experts mitigating it.

 

It’s a pointless exercise.

Unless you start applying the lockdown to ALL communities then what’s the point?

 

Trouble is everybody has an opinion. And they're all right and can't be challenged.

 

Theoretically socially distancing and self confinement has possibly the best chance to reduce the number of cases. But it won’t succeed on it’s own.

 

That's not what's happened though is it, they've revised numbers based on the ever changing information they have.

I have no interest with picking an argument but you really need a little more empathy for others perspectives. If someone is questioning how we should deal with what is an unprecedented event that doesn't mean they are not horrified or upset at what is happening.