Interesting thing on this Head Coach (for me, anyway)

We're obviously well into our statistics & use those stats to inform our decisions when it comes to recruitment.

So what model is being used to identify these Head Coaches? Because to me, it was always pretty obvious that Morais would struggle - time needed to adapt to a new league, no knowledge of the club or players etc and appointed with 10 games to go in a relegation scrap. Stendel seems to have a bit more about him on paper & has some good reviews from Hannover fans but doesn't speak great English (apparently) & again will have little to no knowledge about the place or the league we're heading into. Add in the fact that the stats say that experienced managers have been the best bet to get 'bigger' clubs straight back up out of this league over the last 5 years & it all feels a bit strange.

The club are obviously fully committed to this Head Coach model & I genuinely applaud the courage they have in their convictions. I don't necessarily agree with it but at least they're committed. There's been lots of talk about British managers with decent experience both in Feb & this Summer but not happened. Couple of interesting points for me are:

1. Have we approached them & they've not been interested?
2. Were Morais & Stendel applicants that we fancied or did we headhunt/identify them?
3. Has our available pool of British applicants been limited by the way we operate?

The unknown always causes excitement in football & it's a bit exciting that no one knows anything about how this may pan out. The positive part of me obviously looks & hopes we've got a Wagner that transforms us but again, it feels a risky appointment to me which makes that 2 in 4 months by the board.

Interesting few weeks to come & as ever, it's not gonna be boring this year.

 

Good post.

 

Jeez
A totally woolly and confused post.

 

Ha - mint.

 

Self
Awareness
Nil

 

Coach manager coach manager coach manager coach manager coach manager coach manager coach manager coach manager ............ etc etc etc

 

Each British fella we've been linked with was described as 'Manager' in their last or current job, not head coach.

Grant McCann - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36301464
Jack Ross - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44238168
Gareth Ainsworth - https://www.wycombewanderers.co.uk/news/2012/november/ainsworth-appointed-permanent-manager/

However, Jose Morais was Head Coach - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44023821
As was Stendel @ Hannover - http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/bundesliga-hannover-beurlaubt-thomas-schaaf-1.2933219

Hence why I spoke about British 'managers'.

Yours,
Woolly & Confused.

 

surely as a head coach you would tell gg ( i'm assuming that he negotiates the players contracts on behalf of the club) that you want john smith as a centre half, if not get bill brown; not go out and get me a centre half and then let me know who it is ( I know some of the more moronic posters will think they are hilariously funny and go into fits of apoplectic laughter at just how funny they think themselves by asking who these players are, well to be honest I just made them up ) its called "delegation of responsibilities" and leaves the head coach to get on with coaching and not be distracted by the day to day running of the club like hecky said he was when linton brown err left

 

Me & Jay went to Athersley Rec to see Mansford & Johnson when we were right in the **** in the Autumn of 2015. Mansford said LJ had 'final say on all transfers' which is the line often used.

LJ said, word for word, 'yeah, but if I ask for a table & you bring me 4 chairs it doesn't really work'.

PH talked a bit this year about him asking for certain types of players & not getting them. He spoke about not knowing who our targets were last preseason too.

So, reading between the lines, recruitment is left to the recruitment team & the Coach will feed in but any final say, I guess, is based on 'we've found these lads which do you want?'. Also, remember how PH was quickly saying last Summer he was unhappy with how imbalanced the squad was with attacking midfielders - if he was in charge of recruitment why would he sign Mowatt/McGeehan/Mallan to compete with Moncur?

All guesswork but I've never believed the Head Coach has anywhere near the control people have claimed over the last few years.

 

I'm guessing Stendel's command of English is poorer than you would expect because he's East German. He wouldn't have had much western influence in his formative years.

 

Maybe they ran an SQL query on our stats database such as:

Select * from allCoaches where percentWinRate > 50 and current_status='Unemployed'

and Stendel's name turned up, so they got on the blower.

Strange that he hasn't worked since March 2017 (is that right?) You'd have thought he'd have landed another job by now.

Still, all the best to him in this weird and wonderful new world down at Oakwell. I've read his favoured formation is 4-2-3-1 so he may find it tough going with the players/fans we have.

 

Good post as ever, Dyson. The bit I would debate is that this is a 'risky' appointment. In February we had something to risk - namely our Championship status. For me it was crying out for a short-term appointment of someone like McLaren (who was available) who would have hopefully have secured the one extra point it would have taken to have avoided relegation. I could have personally seen that leading next season to a DOF style arrangement, with a young head coach put in to work under and learn from him. People will argue about that particular individual, but the idea holds good with other names we might have secured.

I don't think the squad as it stands is remotely good enough to secure promotion from League One. I believe we need one, possibly two really strong midfield general(s) around whom the existing players can develop. But nor do I think the squad is so bad that relegation will follow either, although we will have to be alert to any danger signs. So I think they can afford to try their experiment with Daniel Stendel, and I really hope he does well. But with an unproven head coach and a squad which is (at present) lacking, the club have not done enough for me to want to expend the time and money to see if it works out. If there are signs of recovery, then I'll get more interested again. A McCarthy, Coleman or a Hecky return (with better support from the club) would have had me thinking differently. But the Board seem in no hurry. I'm sure that with their resources they will get it right eventually. But right now, it could take some time.

 

Love to see these stats that support the claim that experienced gets the clubs up, cos I can’t find em, seems to be a mixture only common theme is they generally British, but given that there are virtually never been foreign Managers in the league even that stat is biased.
Thought rest of post was good though

 

In the past 5 years - Kenny Jackett, Steve Cotterill, Paul Cook & Chris Wilder won the Championship. The other was Gary Caldwell who knew the club he took over.

Those that finished second were managed by - Tony Mowbray, Karl Robinson, Nigel Clough, Phil Parkinson & a lad at Brentford I can't remember.

You're right that it is skewed and the hope is that this lad smashes it but most 'bigger' clubs have turned to experience after relegation in this league & in the main it has paid off. Not all the time but the last 5 years have been pretty consistent.

 

Fair point that, I only looked at Paul Cook and Wilder and didn’t class them as that experienced, but your right there is more with than without.
Think Brentford was Warburton.

Not withstanding ability(which only time will tell)I actually think it could be a good match up.

 

Cook & Wilder were headhunted based on their performance & knowledge of the leagues. Wilder had done a mint job @ Northampton, Cook class @ Chesterfield & Pompey too.

 

Are you getting a season ticket this year?

 

Why?

 

I'm hoping he's spend the last 15 months going round Europe learning about football rather than sat on his arse playing FIFA. He could potentially know a lot more about English football than we think but it's another gamble and it feels like he'll either be brilliant or terrible.

I've got a German mate who said he thinks he will do well with us, he was very unlucky at Hannover to lose his job after doing a really good job.

 

Its funny how Pep Guardiola took a year out of the game after a few years with Barcelona and nobody battered any eyelid, but Stendel takes a similar period out after leaving a club he was with for longer and its something to beat him with.

I don't know if he will be a success or failure, but he has at least the rest of this year before I judge him.